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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    I don't think that most young people in Iran want to stay the course dictated by some old dictators. Sadly, we have missed a great opportunity to support their plea, and I am not sure if we will get another chance such as that.
    We need to strengthen and support those who want to escape the theocracy, not punish them, or empower these old crazy men by giving in to their demands.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    To remove Iran's nuclear capability, by whatever means necessary is the appropriate action.
    So you are for troops on the ground, destroying Arak, Fordow would also be on the list? Only way of knowing it would be destroyed is to have a look see.
    Destroying all air and naval assets, as well as land assets as a look see is needed at Fordow.
    Then Hezbollah attacks Israel.
    Hamas starts another war.
    And the boys will be home for Christmas.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I wonder why Moot disagrees with Hillary-who said dissent is the highest form of patriotism? Maybe that only applies to democrats.
    No, it's American. But it's also a cheap shot from a weaker position to default to labeling dissenters as anti-American.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I continue to see parallels between this Iran and the Iran of Jimmy Carter's days. They had every reason to keep their mouths shut during the Reagan era [now watch all the guns-for-hostages posts!] and under Bush 1, under Clinton and certainly under Bush 2, with US tanks and missiles conveniently poised on Iran's border.

    But now? After Arab spring, Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Iraq again, Putin's bullying and all that?

    Yeah, I would say they see this as their last, best hope.
    The thugs know when the getting is good, thats what we are seeing here. The left simply can't deal with these people.

    Like Carter, Obama has had an adversarial relationship with Israel as well.

    Bottom line, when a liberal leaves office, the bad guys are at an advantage, and our allies are (rightly) pissed off.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    I don't think that most young people in Iran want to stay the course dictated by some old dictators. Sadly, we have missed a great opportunity to support their plea, and I am not sure if we will get another chance such as that.
    We need to strengthen and support those who want to escape the theocracy, not punish them, or empower these old crazy men by giving in to their demands.
    Sanctions hurt the Israeli citizens, not the Ayatollahs or Mullahs, not the ruling "elite".
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You guys are starting to make me think that conservatism is all about anger and being opposed to something and not about favoring anything.


    I ask again, though I have no hope that it will be answered. What would be the appropriate action? So far we've ruled out military and diplomatic means.


    Who has ruled out military means?

    And why are you asking 'conservatives', which I am not, how to fix Obama's mess? He's the one lifted sanctions, you socialists are the ones who claimed they weren't working, my government said leave them in place?

    Why is it every time Obama screws up, the answer is 'well, smart ass, what would you do?

    First? Fire Obama.
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats interesting, Im seeing many nations in the region towards fundamentalist religious states. Iran just got there first.
    Iran is different imho.
    Tunisia headed for a civilian Govt.- Egypt is an economic mess held together by Saudi funds.
    Libya is in a civil war over wealth mainly, not completely about religion.
    Iraq - screwed and will split over time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I don't know what reason there is to think that an Islamist theocracy like that would honor election results that went against it.
    Over time it will imo
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well that would be nice, and likely good for the region. Mind you that democracies can be and have, and are as hegemonic and imperialistic, indeed often more so than authoritarian societies.
    A fledgling democracy. How long did it take us in the west to get where we are?
    And religion will always play a part.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    I don't think that most young people in Iran want to stay the course dictated by some old dictators. Sadly, we have missed a great opportunity to support their plea, and I am not sure if we will get another chance such as that.
    We need to strengthen and support those who want to escape the theocracy, not punish them, or empower these old crazy men by giving in to their demands.
    I'd like to think you are right but there are plenty of young, fundamentalist leaders there as well-perhaps even the next supreme leader.
    They have been cutting their teeth fighting against the US, and Iraqi and Syrian Sunni's for years now, often on the front lines in full Islamic garb. Video's of them are on Liveleak.
    Last edited by US Conservative; 03-22-15 at 02:30 PM.

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