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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Theoretically there may be lots of actions but realistically there are only three...
    1. The Obama administration goes through with the agreement, Iran holds to it, gives up any nuclear weapons ability and everyone wins.
    2. The Obama administration goes through with the agreement, Iran doesn't hold to it, gets nukes anyway and makes Obama and the US look like fools (Which I suspect we already are... but that's just me.)
    3. The Obama administration fails to go through with the agreement, Iran gets nuclear weapons.

    Since no military options are on the table which, if there was a time to forcibly remove Iran's capability, it would be now - that's not realistically in the list. Even if there were a military option, I'm sorry but Obama doesn't have the balls to do that when his legacy would be at risk. Humans will start ****ting gold bars before that ever happens. There's no reason to think Iran will voluntarily give up their nuclear weapons since the last 40 years has shown they have no interest in being a peaceful nation but one that wants to exert it's power on the region either through terrorism, political or nuclear methods. It wants a seat at the big boy table. In 2 of the 3 scenario's Iran gets nukes. I would also say #1 has a <5% chance of happening. Iran has shown (as in 2010) it's willing to hide it's nuclear facilities from the world.

    I guess we better get used to the idea of a nuclear Iran then eh?
    At least one of those options is a good outcome. Otherwise I agree...we fail to come to an agreement and they go nuclear.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I ask again, though I have no hope that it will be answered. What would be the appropriate action? So far we've ruled out military and diplomatic means.
    To remove Iran's nuclear capability, by whatever means necessary is the appropriate action.
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    The "Death to America" is so cliche in Persian, that it's virtually meaningless. You could shout "Death to Spinach" and it'd have the same oompf to the average Iranian.
    Yeah it's like saying "hello" or "how do you do" or "that's a nice coat you're wearing, where did you get it".

    What the ****.
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    To remove Iran's nuclear capability, by whatever means necessary is the appropriate action.
    OK, but US Con has already taken both military action and diplomacy off the table. I'd like to hear from him. No military, no diplomacy...what?


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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Theoretically there may be lots of actions but realistically there are only three...
    1. The Obama administration goes through with the agreement, Iran holds to it, gives up any nuclear weapons ability and everyone wins.
    2. The Obama administration goes through with the agreement, Iran doesn't hold to it, gets nukes anyway and makes Obama and the US look like fools (Which I suspect we already are... but that's just me.)
    3. The Obama administration fails to go through with the agreement, Iran gets nuclear weapons.

    Since no military options are on the table which, if there was a time to forcibly remove Iran's capability, it would be now - that's not realistically in the list. Even if there were a military option, I'm sorry but Obama doesn't have the balls to do that when his legacy would be at risk. Humans will start ****ting gold bars before that ever happens. There's no reason to think Iran will voluntarily give up their nuclear weapons since the last 40 years has shown they have no interest in being a peaceful nation but one that wants to exert it's power on the region either through terrorism, political or nuclear methods. It wants a seat at the big boy table. In 2 of the 3 scenario's Iran gets nukes. I would also say #1 has a <5% chance of happening. Iran has shown (as in 2010) it's willing to hide it's nuclear facilities from the world.

    I guess we better get used to the idea of a nuclear Iran then eh?
    To the bolded, probably so, if they decide its in their interest. Do you dismiss that Israel may have military options on the table?
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Why, was it too rational for you, bene? lol
    No, too lunatic.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So your premise is that at a public address regarding the nuclear talks, the Supreme leader of Iran and a crowd were just saying virtually meaningless words? Perhaps it was just a coincidence? Explain why we should negotiate with a nation to allow it to get nukes as they call for the deaths of Americans. Why is it that the left can't even say the words islamic terrorism in the same sentence (despite Iran being a hardline islamic state that is the worlds largest state sponsor of terror), but somehow "Death to America" is meaningless. We are giving them billions, to help them weaponize, and listening to them say they want to kill Americans...and for what exactly? In exchange for sitting down at talks? Talks that even the President says are most likely NOT to work? Where is the "deal" here exactly? Kindly show how we benefit from this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Yeah it's like saying "hello" or "how do you do" or "that's a nice coat you're wearing, where did you get it". What the ****.
    Yes, the Persian is "Marg bar Amerika!" ( مرگ بر ) which is inaccurately translated as 'death' (the literal meaning) whereas it's truer translation is more along the lines of 'down with'.

    They shout it in regards to anyone or anything of which they're not a fan (including spinach), but by all means, don't let that stop your vapors US Conservative.

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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Nothing could please Iran leaders more than to hear how much you hate your president and your country. Whatever you do, don't let the truth get in your way.....it just wouldn't be you if you did.


    Hate?

    Please demonstrate where there is "hate" in that post at all, and "hate" directed at the United States?

    The ****ing over-the-top rhetoric in the defense of a president whose loyalty should be questioned is preposterous. FFS, Boehner is a "traitor" for visiting Israel, members of congress are "enemies" according to your president......and you accuse a loyal American who is exercising his constitutional right to impeach policies and actions of government?

    From a bunch of bullies who have destroyed with rhetoric every opponent from within and without, including an ally like Netanyahu and you accuse others of hate....?

    That's disgusting
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Yeah it's like saying "hello" or "how do you do" or "that's a nice coat you're wearing, where did you get it".

    What the ****.
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    Re: Khamenei calls ‘Death to America’ as Kerry hails progress on nuke deal

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Yes, the Persian is "Marg bar Amerika!" ( مرگ بر ) which is inaccurately translated as 'death' (the literal meaning) whereas it's truer translation is more along the lines of 'down with'.

    They shout it in regards to anyone or anything of which they're not a fan (including spinach), but by all means, don't let that stop your vapors US Conservative.
    You mean you're inaccurately translating, deliberately, a word that in the context used means "may America be destroyed" as "Down with American policies, they are so irritating". Awesome.

    Next thing we know "The Great Satan" is simply a mistranslation and the actual meaning is "The Great Nation".
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