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Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity[W:274]

Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

I dont hate anyone, guy. But I apparently have inflamed you.

Inflamed! Your don't just criticize Obama's policies, you use inflammatory language on him reserved typically for enemies of America.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Inflamed! Your don't just criticize Obama's policies, you use inflammatory language on him reserved typically for enemies of America.

Remember, dissent is the highest form of Patriotism. Hillary said so.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

It was merely a starting point, there are plenty of others. CAIR is a sharia law promoting, terrorist funded, hate group. They are evil bad people.


I assume that you mean most Muslims in general........am I right?


If so, I had heard the same thing from from the same sources but after serving in an Airborne combat Unit &, then, later, in a Rapid Deployment Team for the Mid East where higher security clearance levels were required. I learned the degree to which U.S. media & many officials in US Government lie to build support for disastrous, immoral and counterproductive. Military Operations.

I decided to go to the Mid East & find out for myself & spent 10 - 11 months in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Lebanon etc. until the '73 War broke out I didn't have a single hostile encounter the whole time but only experienced generous hospitality & a friendly curiosity about American people, music, cars, etc etc.

The question I was asked most frequently was: "Why do Americans suddenly hate us?" I tried to explain the toxic influence of AIPAC etc & a blatantly bias pro-Israel media but they still couldn't understand how so many Americans so easily duped into hating people whom they had never met.

The Iraq War & lies leading up to attacking Iraq (an earlier "Ally") is a chilling example that too many people have forgotten. Leading up to the Iraq War, over 80% of Americans were easily duped into a War with a country that 10% of Americans couldn't find on a map.

The real cost to America of that & other, ongoing Military misadventures is not just the wasted $ Trillions but countless, "lucky", mutilated, burned, traumatized & dismembered fellow combat Vets lingering in underfunded V.A. hospitals with whom I spend much of my time.

Meanwhile, Netanyahu & US "Sofa Soldiers" are beating the War drums ....

But:

“Quietly lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq was one of AIPAC’s successes over the past year”
AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun; Jan. ’03


Is now:


“Israel Lobby Is Actively Promoting War On Iran”
Israel Lobby Is Actively Promoting War On Iran | Global Research

No, single nationality, Race, Religion or Ethnic Group is intrinsically "Good" or "Evil"

Thanks for your time
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Remember, dissent is the highest form of Patriotism. Hillary said so.

Hillary was by no means the first to say that and it's true. But you aren't just critical of Obama's policies.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

I assume that you mean most Muslims in general........am I right?


If so, I had heard the same thing from from the same sources but after serving in an Airborne combat Unit &, then, later, in a Rapid Deployment Team for the Mid East where higher security clearance levels were required. I learned the degree to which U.S. media & many officials in US Government lie to build support for disastrous, immoral and counterproductive. Military Operations.

I decided to go to the Mid East & find out for myself & spent 10 - 11 months in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Lebanon etc. until the '73 War broke out I didn't have a single hostile encounter the whole time but only experienced generous hospitality & a friendly curiosity about American people, music, cars, etc etc.

The question I was asked most frequently was: "Why do Americans suddenly hate us?" I tried to explain the toxic influence of AIPAC etc & a blatantly bias pro-Israel media but they still couldn't understand how so many Americans so easily duped into hating people whom they had never met.

The Iraq War & lies leading up to attacking Iraq (an earlier "Ally") is a chilling example that too many people have forgotten. Leading up to the Iraq War, over 80% of Americans were easily duped into a War with a country that 10% of Americans couldn't find on a map.

The real cost to America of that & other, ongoing Military misadventures is not just the wasted $ Trillions but countless, "lucky", mutilated, burned, traumatized & dismembered fellow combat Vets lingering in underfunded V.A. hospitals with whom I spend much of my time.

Meanwhile, Netanyahu & US "Sofa Soldiers" are beating the War drums ....

But:

“Quietly lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq was one of AIPAC’s successes over the past year”
AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun; Jan. ’03


Is now:


“Israel Lobby Is Actively Promoting War On Iran”
Israel Lobby Is Actively Promoting War On Iran | Global Research

No, single nationality, Race, Religion or Ethnic Group is intrinsically "Good" or "Evil"

Thanks for your time

Right,m yes, it's those dastardly JEWS to blame. It's okay, we didn't really land on the moon either, I'm with ya brother!!! :roll:
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

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“Israel Lobby Is Actively Promoting War On Iran”
Israel Lobby Is Actively Promoting War On Iran | Global Research

No, single nationality, Race, Religion or Ethnic Group is intrinsically "Good" or "Evil" ...
You complain about 'anti-CAIR' and then post Infamous CONSPIRACY website 'GlobalResearch'? (and ConspiracYst, Lendman)

Your post either, incredibly naive, hypocritical, or you think everyone else was born Yesterday.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Stop being afraid. We have a military that enjoys a budget eight times greater than its nearest competitor, really, just stop it. You're going to be safe.

Oh, it's our military budget that will save us from attack? So it's just the budget that matters. Not the president, not his lack of ability to handle the office. And we will all be safe. I wonder if the people in the twin towers thought that on 9/11, because, you know, or military budget is 8 times that of the next closest country.

Here's a thought... why don't you address the issue instead of avoiding it with a comment about something off in left field. You really think this is a budget issue???
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Oh, it's our military budget that will save us from attack? So it's just the budget that matters. Not the president, not his lack of ability to handle the office. And we will all be safe. I wonder if the people in the twin towers thought that on 9/11, because, you know, or military budget is 8 times that of the next closest country.

Here's a thought... why don't you address the issue instead of avoiding it with a comment about something off in left field. You really think this is a budget issue???

I am addressing the issue. That was Bush that failed to protect America on 9/11, not Obama. I can't imagine why you'd want to bring that up. Stop fear mongering about Iran. There's no evidence that they are the threat that you and Netanyahu represent. The Iranian people are pro-American. Really, there's a better way to work with Iran than bombing them.

And while we're at it, what offends you about Obama sending the Iranians a New Years greeting?
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

I am addressing the issue. That was Bush that failed to protect America on 9/11, not Obama. I can't imagine why you'd want to bring that up. Stop fear mongering about Iran. There's no evidence that they are the threat that you and Netanyahu represent. The Iranian people are pro-American. Really, there's a better way to work with Iran than bombing them.

And while we're at it, what offends you about Obama sending the Iranians a New Years greeting?


Yeah it happened on Bush's Watch Monte......but things are way worse now with your MAN in Office. But enough of the BS that Iran is some sort of good guys.

I did notice how you managed to avoid the CIA telling your friends in Iran just exactly where their lames asses stand.

How you feel now.....knowing you can't save them from themselves. Must really bother ya, huh.

Remember its just the beginning.....and those overseas History books you use. Wont help you now.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Yeah it happened on Bush's Watch Monte......but things are way worse now with your MAN in Office. But enough of the BS that Iran is some sort of good guys.

I did notice how you managed to avoid the CIA telling your friends in Iran just exactly where their lames asses stand.

How you feel now.....knowing you can't save them from themselves. Must really bother ya, huh.

Remember its just the beginning.....and those overseas History books you use. Wont help you now.

I don't need any help. And Obama's not my man, as you know I've been highly critical of his policies, though I haven't stooped to your level of language that's usually used by enemies of America toward our presidents. So it's clear who hates America.

I pointed out that the CIA has reiterated what Obama has said all along. That a nuclear powered Iran is unacceptable, and that they will agree to a deal that Denys them weapons grade enrichment and accept a verification policy, or the consequences will be serious. Nothing new from the CIA.

I can't believe you think that Monte's trying to save Iran, lol. But thanks for the compliment.

It's not just the beginning, it's been a years long process.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

I don't need any help. And Obama's not my man, as you know I've been highly critical of his policies, though I haven't stooped to your level of language that's usually used by enemies of America toward our presidents. So it's clear who hates America.

I pointed out that the CIA has reiterated what Obama has said all along. That a nuclear powered Iran is unacceptable, and that they will agree to a deal that Denys them weapons grade enrichment and accept a verification policy, or the consequences will be serious. Nothing new from the CIA.

I can't believe you think that Monte's trying to save Iran, lol. But thanks for the compliment.

It's not just the beginning, it's been a years long process.



Monte in this very thread you have been sticking up for BO's deal.....that's his policy, correct? Also BO hasn't pointed out consequences or any peril the Iranians face.

But now one on his team just did.....and from a Dept that BO can't close shop on.

Oh, and it is those that give support while especially expressing condemnation of the US for mostly all they do, that helps save Iran from looking worse than what they do.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Monte in this very thread you have been sticking up for BO's deal.....that's his policy, correct? Also BO hasn't pointed out consequences or any peril the Iranians face.

But now one on his team just did.....and from a Dept that BO can't close shop on.

Oh, and it is those that give support while especially expressing condemnation of the US for mostly all they do, that helps save Iran from looking worse than what they do.

Of course I've been sticking up for the P5+1's ability to negotiate a fair deal. Let them finish their work, if they fail, then criticize it. But stop supporting those that are trying to derail a peaceful solution to Iran's nuclear program. That's UN-American!
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

You complain about 'anti-CAIR' and then post Infamous CONSPIRACY website 'GlobalResearch'? (and ConspiracYst, Lendman)

Your post either, incredibly naive, hypocritical, or you think everyone else was born Yesterday.

____________________

Right, & where would we be without your clever Flat Earthers?
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Of course I've been sticking up for the P5+1's ability to negotiate a fair deal. Let them finish their work, if they fail, then criticize it. But stop supporting those that are trying to derail a peaceful solution to Iran's nuclear program. That's UN-American!



Well, I don't think the French are trying to derail any deal. But doubling down yesterday with what they said. Is what Kerry has to take to BO. Regardless if BO likes it or not.

Now might be the time for Kerry to bring up that unknown location in Tehran. See if.....the Iranians will deny it is there. Then he has them in a lie again. Make that one open to inspections and as well as any of the 6-8 reactors the Russians are selling them. Then lets see Iran prove to the world whether their word means anything going forward.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Well, I don't think the French are trying to derail any deal. But doubling down yesterday with what they said. Is what Kerry has to take to BO. Regardless if BO likes it or not.

Now might be the time for Kerry to bring up that unknown location in Tehran. See if.....the Iranians will deny it is there. Then he has them in a lie again. Make that one open to inspections and as well as any of the 6-8 reactors the Russians are selling them. Then lets see Iran prove to the world whether their word means anything going forward.

Nobody's going to trust anybody's word for anything. A verification process will be in place.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

I am addressing the issue. That was Bush that failed to protect America on 9/11, not Obama. I can't imagine why you'd want to bring that up. Stop fear mongering about Iran. There's no evidence that they are the threat that you and Netanyahu represent. The Iranian people are pro-American. Really, there's a better way to work with Iran than bombing them.

And while we're at it, what offends you about Obama sending the Iranians a New Years greeting?

Boy, you really are uninformed. So, 9/11 was all due to George Bush? Those 9 months he was in office, that's when it started and ended. You need to do some research, because you are missing a lot.

And Iran, not a threat? Tell that to the soldiers missing limbs from their attacks in Iraq, or the families of those that didn't make it back. Don't worry folks, Monte says Iran isn't a threat!
You've got a lot of catching up to do.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Boy, you really are uninformed. So, 9/11 was all due to George Bush? Those 9 months he was in office, that's when it started and ended. You need to do some research, because you are missing a lot.

And Iran, not a threat? Tell that to the soldiers missing limbs from their attacks in Iraq, or the families of those that didn't make it back. Don't worry folks, Monte says Iran isn't a threat!
You've got a lot of catching up to do.

I didn't say that. I just pointed out, it had nothing to do with Obama, it was a Bush failure. So I don't understand why you mentioned it. Iran isn't a threat to the US. The US is a huge threat to Iran.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

I didn't say that. I just pointed out, it had nothing to do with Obama, it was a Bush failure. So I don't understand why you mentioned it. Iran isn't a threat to the US. The US is a huge threat to Iran.

Well, if we are pointing out failures, there is no shortage with Obama. But we should just stay on his failure with Iran.

So, we are the threat? And Iran is not a threat to the world? I mean, how do you expect to be taken seriously saying things like that?

Even France, with their left leaning government is asking Obama what the hell does he think he's doing. They are trying to get him to stop what he's doing. Obama seems to be the biggest threat of all. Having an incompetent at the helm of this country is turning out to be incredibly dangerous.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Well, if we are pointing out failures, there is no shortage with Obama. But we should just stay on his failure with Iran.

So, we are the threat? And Iran is not a threat to the world? I mean, how do you expect to be taken seriously saying things like that?

Even France, with their left leaning government is asking Obama what the hell does he think he's doing. They are trying to get him to stop what he's doing. Obama seems to be the biggest threat of all. Having an incompetent at the helm of this country is turning out to be incredibly dangerous.

You're right there is no shortage of Obama failures, but as yet, this isn't one of them, for one thing, and for another, it is Russia, China, the UK, France, Germany and the US that's working on this Iranian deal. If it's a success, it's a P5+1 success. If it's a failure, it's a P5+1 failure. Stop framing this as a unilateral Obama deal.

We've had incompetency at the helm for years now. And I'm sorry, but USFP ever since America has been the sole superpower has caused great concern to Germany, China, France and Russia, all of whom have declared in no uncertain terms, and publicly, that a unipolar world is a security threat and they all are actively working to change that, AIIB, would be one example of it.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

You're right there is no shortage of Obama failures, but as yet, this isn't one of them, for one thing, and for another, it is Russia, China, the UK, France, Germany and the US that's working on this Iranian deal. If it's a success, it's a P5+1 success. If it's a failure, it's a P5+1 failure. Stop framing this as a unilateral Obama deal.

It is a failure for us to be negotiating with this terrorist regime. Obama is responsible for his actions, he can't lay blame on the other countries, he got us into this. But I'm sure he will blame Bush.

We've had incompetency at the helm for years now. And I'm sorry, but USFP ever since America has been the sole superpower has caused great concern to Germany, China, France and Russia, all of whom have declared in no uncertain terms, and publicly, that a unipolar world is a security threat and they all are actively working to change that, AIIB, would be one example of it.

No president is expected to be an expert in every area, but they are expected to have expert advisors and to have enough intelligence to comprehend the information they are give. Obama has shown to be so arrogant that he thinks he is the expert, with little or no expertise at all. See how that is a problem?

And those other countries can do whatever is in their best interests forming their socialist organizations, we need a president that is working in our best inerests.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Let's do a hypothetical.... Obama gets his wish, a crappy deal with Iran that they will not keep, they play "hide the pickle" with inspectors while either buying and replicating ICBM technology and enough nuclear material for multiple warheads. 5 or 6 years from now some new Iranian mullah nitwit decides to use the nuke on some group in some country - maybe Israel, who knows. Will Obama be held accountable for LETTING Iran get nukes and will this bad "deal" be seen as the reason millions died?

Of course not - this will be GW Bush's fault because of the Iraq war you see.

Iran will get nukes no matter what. The reason for the sanction removal is just to alleviate the suffering of the Iranian people.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Touche. But I think there would be, not because it's Israel that got nuked but because other countries would then be worried about their own asses.

I don't think Iran is going to ban toilet paper.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

Why is it insane to try to find a peaceful resolution compared to bombing the sh** out of somebody. We've tried that method while trying to forge relationships across the region and have gotten nowhere except more extreme groups. Stop the tinkering, stop the meddling, and maybe something will actually change.
 
Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

It is a failure for us to be negotiating with this terrorist regime. Obama is responsible for his actions, he can't lay blame on the other countries, he got us into this. But I'm sure he will blame Bush.



No president is expected to be an expert in every area, but they are expected to have expert advisors and to have enough intelligence to comprehend the information they are give. Obama has shown to be so arrogant that he thinks he is the expert, with little or no expertise at all. See how that is a problem?

And those other countries can do whatever is in their best interests forming their socialist organizations, we need a president that is working in our best inerests.

The US has a long history of negotiating with terrorists, using terrorists to advance "US interest" when perceived as beneficial, and killing them if not. Iran is a country. It's negotiating with the UNSC, who intends on insuring that any Iranian nuclear power program remains peaceful.

Obama isn't blaming anything on anybody, what the hell do you mean. It's the right that's blaming Obama over an agreement they haven't seen. That's a colossal stupidity.

Your best interests, and my best interests aren't the same. I'll take an agreement with Iran that they won't build nuclear weapons which will be monitored. So, in this case, Obama's advancing my interests. Sorry that you're disappointed on this one.
 
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