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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The French are still at the table, so they can use their position to influence the negotiations as they may. In the end though, all six countries have reiterated that any deal agreed to will deny a nuclear weaponized Iran. So other than your daily barrage of Democratic Party criticism, what's your concern?
    Because paper promises never contain evil men. History tells us this, but the ignorant dont listen.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Where we are now is letting them do what they want to do and removing them from the national terror list and the President warning Congress not to issue more of those pesky sanctions. Oh so punitive.

    Relax.... what part of "hypothetical" is eluding you?


    The average person can't find New York on a map....

    This goes to show how far liberal will go to protect Obama ... way to tow that party line though! Kudos!
    The only person mentioning Obama is you. Good job.

    You didn't rebut any of my argument. If this doesn't work out, worst case scenerio, other than your stupid "hypothetical", is that we go back to our current policy of constant sanctions and no contact and no inspectors inside of Iran.

    Do you think it's easier for a country to build nuclear weapons if there are inspectors inside the country taking a look around or if they are totally secluded from any authority on the matter? Seriously, that's the issue.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    I hate to tell ya.. but Iran already can make the bomb, and Obama has been an enabler of this by giving the last few years to complete the infrastructure...

    why do you think that Saddam who would not allow UN inspections on WMDS ( that are now in Syria) that Iran will allow inspections?..

    Obama promised the Mullahs Bibis scalp for a fake weak deal for Obamas fake legacy... thats why Obama is lashing out at Bibi ( for being alive ) and the people of Israel know tht Iran has the bomb today.. they dint need years they already have all the componets and Russian tech.


    Its scary alright,, and the ignorance on all this is even more scary
    Your rant belongs in the conspiracy theory. Provide actual evidence to back it up if you want any kind of substantive reply from any sane person.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The French are still at the table, so they can use their position to influence the negotiations as they may. In the end though, all six countries have reiterated that any deal agreed to will deny a nuclear weaponized Iran. So other than your daily barrage of Democratic Party criticism, what's your concern?


    Naturally the French are at the table.....they want 25 years not BO peeps allowance of only 10 years. Which still doesn't change their opinion of BO peep and his deal. Oh and they never wanted to take all sanctions off the Iranians Right away either.

    But don't let that Democrat's concern fool you about why there is a concern. Maybe one day you will figure out that the Iranians just aren't good guys and are some lying fools to think others don't know what they are about.

    But then they have those such as BO peep and yourself.....that helps with the misperception on why they should be trusted.



    French leaders think the U.S. president is dangerously naïve on Iran's ambitions, and that his notion of making Iran an "objective ally" in the war against ISIS, or even a partner, together with Putin's Russia, to find a political solution to the Syrian crisis, is both far-fetched and "amateurish."

    When Claude Angéli says that both France's Foreign Minister, Laurent Fabius, and its President, François Hollande, have told friends that they rely on "the support of the US Congress" to prevent Obama from giving in to Iran's nuclear ambitions, it is the kind of quote you can take to the bank. French diplomats worry that if Iran gets nuclear weapons, every other local Middle East power will want them. Among their worst nightmares is a situation in which Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia join the Dr. Strangelove club.

    The French are still smarting from the last-minute reprieve Obama granted Syria, as the French air force was about to bomb the Assad regime's military positions back in 2013, because the U.S. President had been convinced by Russia that they had succeeded in making Syrian President Bashar al-Assad give up on the use of his chemical weapons. "Our Rafale fighters were about to scramble," a French air force officer is quoted as saying; "Hollande was furious."....snip~

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    The only person mentioning Obama is you. Good job.
    Thank you - I believe in applying credit where credit is due.

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    You didn't rebut any of my argument. If this doesn't work out, worst case scenerio, other than your stupid "hypothetical", is that we go back to our current policy of constant sanctions and no contact and no inspectors inside of Iran.
    I don't rebut an argument based on a hypothetical. A "stupid hypothetical" which you deemed worthy enough to bother listing your grievances against. And I might add, your posts were the one's which got all bent out of shape regarding "conclusions". Funny stuff though.

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Do you think it's easier for a country to build nuclear weapons if there are inspectors inside the country taking a look around or if they are totally secluded from any authority on the matter? Seriously, that's the issue.
    Ah a serious question. Hmm... well I would say that it's easier for a country to build a nuclear weapons where inspectors are not going to be - such as a secret place such as the one here found in 2010.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...ite/index.html

    One could then surmise, well, if they had one site tucked away from inspectors why couldn't they have other sites. Let me ask you a serious question:

    Do you believe that Iran has no intention whatsoever of creating a nuclear weapon and only wants the heavy water systems and centrifuges for peaceful nuclear power?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The French are still at the table, so they can use their position to influence the negotiations as they may. In the end though, all six countries have reiterated that any deal agreed to will deny a nuclear weaponized Iran. So other than your daily barrage of Democratic Party criticism, what's your concern?
    Naturally they are at the table.....they are part of Security Council and it's not like they wouldn't be. If such was the case the French wouldn't have sent BO peep a counter proposal and don't believe in the reducing the time down to 10 years.

    Don't let that Democrats concern fool you on how there exists many in belief of this deal being a major concern.

    Of course, some think the Iranians are good guys and can be trusted. Which Iran is glad to have those such as BO peep and yourself running around trying to get others to believe this misconception.




    French leaders think the U.S. president is dangerously naïve on Iran's ambitions, and that his notion of making Iran an "objective ally" in the war against ISIS, or even a partner, together with Putin's Russia, to find a political solution to the Syrian crisis, is both far-fetched and "amateurish."

    When Claude Angéli says that both France's Foreign Minister, Laurent Fabius, and its President, François Hollande, have told friends that they rely on "the support of the US Congress" to prevent Obama from giving in to Iran's nuclear ambitions, it is the kind of quote you can take to the bank. French diplomats worry that if Iran gets nuclear weapons, every other local Middle East power will want them. Among their worst nightmares is a situation in which Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia join the Dr. Strangelove club.

    The French are still smarting from the last-minute reprieve Obama granted Syria, as the French air force was about to bomb the Assad regime's military positions back in 2013, because the U.S. President had been convinced by Russia that they had succeeded in making Syrian President Bashar al-Assad give up on the use of his chemical weapons. "Our Rafale fighters were about to scramble," a French air force officer is quoted as saying; "Hollande was furious."....snip~

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Your rant belongs in the conspiracy theory. Provide actual evidence to back it up if you want any kind of substantive reply from any sane person.
    conspiracy theory would be that Iran needs nukes for electricity..


    why do they need nukes?...
    Last edited by Travis007; 03-20-15 at 07:02 PM.

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Because paper promises never contain evil men. History tells us this, but the ignorant dont listen.
    So you're in that minority with freaks like Netanyahu and McCain that wouldn't have attempted any agreement or treaty with Iran whatsoever because in your view Iranians are "evil" and as such can't be trusted, therefore, bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Your rant belongs in the conspiracy theory. Provide actual evidence to back it up if you want any kind of substantive reply from any sane person.
    make sure you read with accuracy and words like "intent"

    again.. I believe its your posts that are "conspiracy.."...

    I get sad over how little people really know on such important things

    Iran's Intent is the Real Issue, Says Former IAEA Inspector


    but here is fun snippet from the above

    JAY: So, just to sum up, we go back to this question of intent, 'cause you're saying whether it's this many centrifuges or that many centrifuges is not the really substance of the issue. The real issue: is there any evidence of intent to have a nuclear weapons program or actually evidence that there is a nuclear weapons program? And looking--and you've been an inspector, and you're essentially a scientist, not a political analyst. So from the point of view of science, do we have evidence that there is an actual program to make a nuclear weapon?

    KELLEY: Okay. You have the Central Intelligence Agency in the U.S. saying there was such a program until 2003, and I see many, many indications of the old day that that very well was likely, that that was the truth. But Iran for some reason does not feel that they are able to go back and admit that. So I fault Iran for not coming clean on what they did before 2003. But since 2003, I don't think there's any evidence that has been put on the table that is credible. And now, with this admission that the U.S. was forging documents themselves in the 1998 timeframe, I think all bets are off.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Naturally they are at the table.....they are part of Security Council and it's not like they wouldn't be. If such was the case the French wouldn't have sent BO peep a counter proposal and don't believe in the reducing the time down to 10 years.

    Don't let that Democrats concern fool you on how there exists many in belief of this deal being a major concern.

    Of course, some think the Iranians are good guys and can be trusted. Which Iran is glad to have those such as BO peep and yourself running around trying to get others to believe this misconception.




    French leaders think the U.S. president is dangerously naïve on Iran's ambitions, and that his notion of making Iran an "objective ally" in the war against ISIS, or even a partner, together with Putin's Russia, to find a political solution to the Syrian crisis, is both far-fetched and "amateurish."

    When Claude Angéli says that both France's Foreign Minister, Laurent Fabius, and its President, François Hollande, have told friends that they rely on "the support of the US Congress" to prevent Obama from giving in to Iran's nuclear ambitions, it is the kind of quote you can take to the bank. French diplomats worry that if Iran gets nuclear weapons, every other local Middle East power will want them. Among their worst nightmares is a situation in which Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia join the Dr. Strangelove club.

    The French are still smarting from the last-minute reprieve Obama granted Syria, as the French air force was about to bomb the Assad regime's military positions back in 2013, because the U.S. President had been convinced by Russia that they had succeeded in making Syrian President Bashar al-Assad give up on the use of his chemical weapons. "Our Rafale fighters were about to scramble," a French air force officer is quoted as saying; "Hollande was furious."....snip~

    What France Really Thinks of U.S. Iran Policy
    I have no problem with Iran. I believe that the intelligence agencies of both the US and Israel have stated that Iran is not building nuclear weapons. I also know that there's been some disagreement from France, but they're at the table, so again, they can influence things as they may. In the end, if Russia, China, Germany, France, the UK and US all sign on to this deal, I have even less concerns. You on the other hand have no concerns, you're not scared of Iran, you hate the Democratic Party and the president. And for you this is all just partisan politics.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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