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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    I'm perfectly happy with the tact that Obama is taking with Iran.

    The majority of the world is able to work perfectly decently with Iran. As a German, for example, you can fly into Iran and live and work at the Iranian branch of Siemens or Krupp without any Iranian or German ever thinking twice. It's a completely unremarkable situation, because believe it or not, Iran is a completely middle-of-the-road, 80 million pop country that falls into line with the expectations/problems we have with every other non-Western developing country.

    America (and Israel) is the only odd one out here. No other countries have such bizarre trust issues with Iran, nor does Iran have such difficulty rest of the world, probably because the rest of the world doesn't have such a large number of Cowboy-diplomat, conservative jingoists who seem to want to level Iran every chance they get.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
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    Ayatollah Khamenei doesn't participate in the nuclear talks. It he supports the talks & praised the negotiators.


    “Iran’s Hard-Liners Show Restraint on Nuclear Talks With U.S.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/wo...alks.html?_r=0
    EXCERPT “Ayatollah Khamenei has largely supported the nuclear talks and the Iranian negotiators, whom he has called “good and caring people, who work for the country.””CONTINUED


    "Their "Death to _________" has simply become meaningless Revolution mantra & has nothing to do with their private sentiments. McCain's casually singing of "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran is a far more chilling indicator of his (McCain's) instability

    Why politicians / Religious leaders say things they do not mean? That is a question with varied answers as old as history & diverse as different cultures.

    What is more important is Iran's deeds & they have attacked no one in 300 years in spite of foreign provocations, active Foreign "Hit Squads" & Western support for anti Iranian Terrorist groups like MEK.


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    ridiculous... your analogy is a joke...

    McCain is not "the supreme leader" and the commander of Proxies like Hezbollah...

    Your post is just over the top liberal gibberish.. and honestly dangerous in its falacy..

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity' - NBC News

    This is... the most insane thing I've ever heard or seen...
    He really, REALLY believes he can just talk "sensibly" and everyone will fall in line...

    Are you kidding me?

    You're right. It' so much better to bomb sensibly.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
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    Why politicians / Religious leaders say things they do not mean? That is a question with varied answers as old as history & diverse as different cultures.

    What is more important is Iran's deeds & they have attacked no one in 300 years in spite of foreign provocations, active Foreign "Hit Squads" & Western support for anti Iranian Terrorist groups like MEK.
    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    ridiculous... your analogy is a joke...

    McCain is not "the supreme leader" and the commander of Proxies like Hezbollah...

    Your post is just over the top liberal gibberish.. and honestly dangerous in its falacy..
    And of course the old.. "Iran hasn't attacked anyone in 300 years"

    Of course:
    1. They've only had this Radical theocracy since 1979.
    2. The support Terror groups like Hezbollah.
    3. They ARE involved in Proxy wars with the Gulf state Sunnis and Israel.
    4. They are in control of 4 M-E capitals now by those wars, including Sanaa, Yemen; Baghdad; and Beirut.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    You're right. It' so much better to bomb sensibly.
    Because, that's the alternativee, a terrible deal that fails or bomb them... you're backing a plan that guarantees disaster.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Because, that's the alternativee, a terrible deal that fails or bomb them... you're backing a plan that guarantees disaster.
    Bombing should always be the very last resort. History has told us this time-and-time again, yet we still make the very same mistakes. Dialogue should always be on the table.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    And of course the old.. "Iran hasn't attacked anyone in 300 years"

    Of course:
    1. They've only had this Radical theocracy since 1979.
    2. The support Terror groups like Hezbollah.
    3. They ARE involved in Proxy wars with the Gulf state Sunnis and Israel.
    4. They are in control of 4 M-E capitals now by those wars, including Sanaa, Yemen; Baghdad; and Beirut.
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    "And of course the old.. "Iran hasn't attacked anyone in 300 years""

    A. The fact that Iran hasn't attacked anyone in 300 years is another salient reality to this topic you cannot disprove. A State's history of non-Aggression is one of the most compelling factors in deciding its eligibility for possessing a nuclear program. It also reveals how that State will behave in the future with its nuclear program.
    Name the existing nuclear States who have attacked no one in 300 years.



    Re: 1. "They've only had this Radical theocracy since 1979."

    A. Iran had an existing Democratic form of government under popularly elected, Reformist PM Mossadeh until the C.I.A. Regime change leaving Iranians under a dictator with his dreaded SAVAK.

    Iran has repeatedly reached out to the US for better relations, especially by Iranian President Khatami. Iran has frequently offered aid with underwater US Oil Spills & natural disasters only to be rebuffed.




    Re: "2. The support Terror groups like Hezbollah."

    A. Only 3 countries & the Gulf Co-operation Council classified Hezbollah as a "Terrorist" organization until the U.S. dropped it as one this year.
    That leaves only Israel, Canada & G.C.C. to call it a "Terrorist" organization. That's hardly a "Terrorized" quorum.
    Hezbollah's Defensive nature & extensive Humanitarian & Rebuilding programs account for its support & popularity. It was conceived in 1982 & primarily formed to offer resistance to the Israeli occupation & Invasions of S. Lebanon



    Re: "3. They ARE involved in Proxy wars with the Gulf state Sunnis and Israel."

    A. Israel, the US & other Western States are involved in "Regional Proxy Wars" too.



    Re: "4. They are in control of 4 M-E capitals now by those wars, including Sanaa, Yemen; Baghdad; and Beirut"

    That's simply your opinion depending on the meaning of "in control of"


    . . . . . .
    I'll wait for your list of World Nuclear States who have attacked no one in 300 years



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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Bombing should always be the very last resort. History has told us this time-and-time again, yet we still make the very same mistakes. Dialogue should always be on the table.
    Tell that to Chamberlin dear.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I could be wrong, but I don't think negotiations are taking place with the Ayatollah, but rather with the Iranian Prime Minister. Of course, not without the Ayatollah's blessing. But worse case is no deal is reached and everyone goes back to where things were before. Best case: A reasonable "no-nuclear weapons development" agreement is reached that is verifiable and all sides are happy. I'm hoping for the latter, but wouldn't be surprised if the former comes true.

    In other news, I wonder how folks feel about Israel's "SpyGate" over Iran nuke talks?



    Thoughts...comments?
    That should be expected, I don't think they trust Obama or Iran, I don't. Obama was tapping into all their communications over there also. I can't see how we could expect them not to.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    ridiculous... your analogy is a joke...

    McCain is not "the supreme leader" and the commander of Proxies like Hezbollah...

    Your post is just over the top liberal gibberish.. and honestly dangerous in its falacy..
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    McCain's history of War Mongering is specific & well known while Iran's hostile sounding rhetoric has proven meaningless. He is so out of touch with reality & obsessed with pushing the US into Fatally Flawed Military Operations he even supports fictional Wars that don't even exist (See Below




    “Welcome back to Iraq fear-mongering, brought to you by John McCain and Co”
    Welcome back to Iraq fear-mongering, brought to you by John McCain and Co | Jeb Lund | Comment is free | The Guardian

    EXCERPT “For the last five years, McCain has called on Barack Obama to involve the US in every potential war available – including the Tek War, which he only just heard about by picking up William Shatner’s histories of it.”CONTINUED



    An attack on Iran will ensure the deaths of thousands of American G.I.s already in the Region, far more deaths of innocent Regional civilians, an environmental disaster affecting the whole planet (yes, Including Israel) & a horrific cataclysm beyond your imagination.

    If that doesn't move you, please consider Iran's Jewish community.


    Do you plan on "Signing Up" to serve in the hostilities you seem to want so dearly or just leave the dirty work to someone else?






    "One of the most horrible features of war is that all the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are NOT fighting."
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