Page 26 of 28 FirstFirst ... 162425262728 LastLast
Results 251 to 260 of 274

Thread: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity[W:274]

  1. #251
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    NJ
    Last Seen
    08-02-17 @ 02:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    13,375

    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    a good timeline from the Yellow Journal NYT's

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2.../#time243_7212

  2. #252
    Sage
    Anthony60's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Northern New Jersey
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:26 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    7,550

    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    ...that freak Netanyahu...
    That explains it all. Yep, it's that Jew who is the "freak". Not the facist islamo Nazi's that commit inhumane crimes on their people. Nope, it's Netanyahu. Tell us again who it is that doesn't understand what's going on.
    "We have met the enemy and they are ours..." -- Oliver Hazard Perry
    "I don't want a piece of you... I want the whole thing!" -- Bob Barker

  3. #253
    Sage
    Montecresto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Last Seen
    03-13-16 @ 11:59 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    24,561

    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    That explains it all. Yep, it's that Jew who is the "freak". Not the facist islamo Nazi's that commit inhumane crimes on their people. Nope, it's Netanyahu. Tell us again who it is that doesn't understand what's going on.
    He's the Israeli PM that has been crying wolf on Iranian nukes for 25 years now. He's been assassinating civilian scientists in Iran, and killing women and children in Gaza, Lebanon and elsewhere. Yes he's a freak. Stop making this a religious issue.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

  4. #254
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Where I am now
    Last Seen
    09-11-17 @ 03:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    16,386

    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    [/B]

    Indubitably. Hatred of Obama is confounding rational engagement.
    I think that is it in a nutshell.

  5. #255
    Sage
    Anthony60's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Northern New Jersey
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:26 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    7,550

    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    He's the Israeli PM that has been crying wolf on Iranian nukes for 25 years now. He's been assassinating civilian scientists in Iran, and killing women and children in Gaza, Lebanon and elsewhere. Yes he's a freak. Stop making this a religious issue.
    He's a murderer just the same as FDR was. You know, he killed so many people, many, many women and children. Way more than Netanyahu. Crying wolf too! Oh, those Germans, they are trying to make an atom bomb. What a fear monger. He should have negotiated with them, he didn't have to kill all those people.
    "We have met the enemy and they are ours..." -- Oliver Hazard Perry
    "I don't want a piece of you... I want the whole thing!" -- Bob Barker

  6. #256
    Sage
    Anthony60's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Northern New Jersey
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:26 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    7,550

    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Reagan wrote to and even phoned Gorbachev often during nuclear arms negotiations. Yet, the far Right-wing space nuts thumb their noses up over Pres. Obama doing the same thing with Iran? How absurd!

    Are you guys that fearful of Iran nuking us or do you really despise any and all efforts at peace at every turn when a Democrat tries it? Are you that desperate to go to war?
    This is an interestingly flawed argument that the left likes to make. "Well, we negotiated with the Soviet Union. Why not Iran?" This incorrectly assumes that Iran is the equal of the Soviet Union. As anyone can see, that is completely erroneous. The Soviets were a a super power with ICBM's, thousands of nukes, and a huge military force that we could not hope to engage without taking tremendous losses, win or lose.

    Don't tell me you are just going to ignore those facts. The Soviets weren't promising that they would exterminate a race, either. We were jocking for power with them on the world stage, trying to stop the evil of communism.

    Iran is a terrorist state that wants a nuclear weapon. They must be stopped. They don't deserve our respect in any way that the Soviet Union did. We need to make that clear to them. But instead, Obama has decided to negotiate, as if we are equals, and deserve to be bargained with. They are terrorists, and deserve no such thing until they give up their terrorist ways.
    "We have met the enemy and they are ours..." -- Oliver Hazard Perry
    "I don't want a piece of you... I want the whole thing!" -- Bob Barker

  7. #257
    Sage

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Huntsville, AL (USA)
    Last Seen
    12-11-17 @ 05:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    9,763

    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    This is an interestingly flawed argument that the left likes to make. "Well, we negotiated with the Soviet Union. Why not Iran?" This incorrectly assumes that Iran is the equal of the Soviet Union. As anyone can see, that is completely erroneous. The Soviets were a a super power with ICBM's, thousands of nukes, and a huge military force that we could not hope to engage without taking tremendous losses, win or lose.

    Don't tell me you are just going to ignore those facts. The Soviets weren't promising that they would exterminate a race, either. We were jocking for power with them on the world stage, trying to stop the evil of communism.

    Iran is a terrorist state that wants a nuclear weapon. They must be stopped. They don't deserve our respect in any way that the Soviet Union did. We need to make that clear to them. But instead, Obama has decided to negotiate, as if we are equals, and deserve to be bargained with. They are terrorists, and deserve no such thing until they give up their terrorist ways.
    Exactly the reason why we should strive to broker a nuclear weapons deal with Iran now before they are able to stockpile nukes. But to your post above, there are two faces to Communism:

    1) The State can provide the essentials to a sustainable quality of life; and,

    2) The State controls everything.

    It is the second, the tyrannical, dictatorial perspective, that America feared (...mistrusted...hated...call it what you will). The only difference between the spread of Communism and the spread of radical Muslim extremism is that Communist did not go around killing people indiscriminately who disagreed with their governing philosophy AND they had more nukes!

    Now, let's not pretend that American hasn't had a long and torrid history of mistrust of Communism. Politicians and political advocates had been beating Communism about the head and feet for decades long before the fall of the Berlin Wall. The only thing that kept both countries at bay was fear of mutually assured destruction. Having nukes in the hands of a Communist leader who was just crazy enough to push the button and rain down fire and brimstone on America...

    ...WAIT...

    This is the same argument pundits have leveled against Iran. Yes, the Supreme Leader is a religious zealot and yes there is a faction of the Iranian people who hate America, but if folks believe Iran is as big a threat to America's national security as the Soviet Union once was you're delusional! This isn't to say there isn't cause for concern...just not grave concern. Why shouldn't we at least attempt to find a peaceful solution to Iran's nuclear weapons issues - a lessor inclusive global threat than Russian ever was - if we were very willing to do so against Russia? That's what doesn't make sense to me. We were willing to talk with the Soviets and keep coming back to the bargaining table and eventually were able to hammer out an acceptable deal that is still in effect some 30 year later, but we're unwilling to work with a country that posses a smaller threat to us? That makes no sense whatsoever!

    I understand "give them an inch they'll take a mile" just as I understand the concept behind "trust but verify". You do need a willing partner here with Iran just as we once had with Russia. But you have to start somewhere. And just as Reagan started with a more moderate, more reasonable Gorbachev, Obama is now starting with a more reasonable, more moderate Iranian Prime Minister. I think we owe it to the Middle-East and the world to at least try...just as we once tried and succeeded with Russia.
    "A fair exchange ain't no robbery." Tupac Shakur w/Digital Underground

  8. #258
    Sage
    Anthony60's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Northern New Jersey
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:26 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    7,550

    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Exactly the reason why we should strive to broker a nuclear weapons deal with Iran now before they are able to stockpile nukes. But to your post above, there are two faces to Communism:

    1) The State can provide the essentials to a sustainable quality of life; and,

    2) The State controls everything.

    It is the second, the tyrannical, dictatorial perspective, that America feared (...mistrusted...hated...call it what you will). The only difference between the spread of Communism and the spread of radical Muslim extremism is that Communist did not go around killing people indiscriminately who disagreed with their governing philosophy AND they had more nukes!

    Now, let's not pretend that American hasn't had a long and torrid history of mistrust of Communism. Politicians and political advocates had been beating Communism about the head and feet for decades long before the fall of the Berlin Wall. The only thing that kept both countries at bay was fear of mutually assured destruction. Having nukes in the hands of a Communist leader who was just crazy enough to push the button and rain down fire and brimstone on America...

    ...WAIT...

    This is the same argument pundits have leveled against Iran. Yes, the Supreme Leader is a religious zealot and yes there is a faction of the Iranian people who hate America, but if folks believe Iran is as big a threat to America's national security as the Soviet Union once was you're delusional! This isn't to say there isn't cause for concern...just not grave concern. Why shouldn't we at least attempt to find a peaceful solution to Iran's nuclear weapons issues - a lessor inclusive global threat than Russian ever was - if we were very willing to do so against Russia? That's what doesn't make sense to me. We were willing to talk with the Soviets and keep coming back to the bargaining table and eventually were able to hammer out an acceptable deal that is still in effect some 30 year later, but we're unwilling to work with a country that posses a smaller threat to us? That makes no sense whatsoever!

    I understand "give them an inch they'll take a mile" just as I understand the concept behind "trust but verify". You do need a willing partner here with Iran just as we once had with Russia. But you have to start somewhere. And just as Reagan started with a more moderate, more reasonable Gorbachev, Obama is now starting with a more reasonable, more moderate Iranian Prime Minister. I think we owe it to the Middle-East and the world to at least try...just as we once tried and succeeded with Russia.
    Well, the "Death to America" stuff that their leader says kind of makes me think that he's not the reasonable guy that you think he is.
    "We have met the enemy and they are ours..." -- Oliver Hazard Perry
    "I don't want a piece of you... I want the whole thing!" -- Bob Barker

  9. #259
    Sage

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Huntsville, AL (USA)
    Last Seen
    12-11-17 @ 05:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    9,763

    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, the "Death to America" stuff that their leader says kind of makes me think that he's not the reasonable guy that you think he is.
    I could be wrong, but I don't think negotiations are taking place with the Ayatollah, but rather with the Iranian Prime Minister. Of course, not without the Ayatollah's blessing. But worse case is no deal is reached and everyone goes back to where things were before. Best case: A reasonable "no-nuclear weapons development" agreement is reached that is verifiable and all sides are happy. I'm hoping for the latter, but wouldn't be surprised if the former comes true.

    In other news, I wonder how folks feel about Israel's "SpyGate" over Iran nuke talks?

    Soon after the U.S. and other major powers entered negotiations last year to curtail Iran’s nuclear program, senior White House officials learned Israel was spying on the closed-door talks.

    The spying operation was part of a broader campaign by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government to penetrate the negotiations and then help build a case against the emerging terms of the deal.

    ...

    Mr. Netanyahu and Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer early this year saw a rapidly closing window to increase pressure on Mr. Obama before a key deadline at the end of March, Israeli officials said.

    Using levers of political influence unique to Israel, Messrs. Netanyahu and Dermer calculated that a lobbying campaign in Congress before an announcement was made would improve the chances of killing or reshaping any deal. They knew the intervention would damage relations with the White House, Israeli officials said, but decided that was an acceptable cost.

    The campaign may not have worked as well as hoped, Israeli officials now say, because it ended up alienating many congressional Democrats whose support Israel was counting on to block a deal.
    Thoughts...comments?
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 03-24-15 at 05:02 PM.
    "A fair exchange ain't no robbery." Tupac Shakur w/Digital Underground

  10. #260
    Educator
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    600

    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I could be wrong, but I don't think negotiations are taking place with the Ayatollah, but rather with the Iranian Prime Minister. Of course, not without the Ayatollah's blessing. But worse case is no deal is reached and everyone goes back to where things were before. Best case: A reasonable "no-nuclear weapons development" agreement is reached that is verifiable and all sides are happy. I'm hoping for the latter, but wouldn't be surprised if the former comes true.

    In other news, I wonder how folks feel about Israel's "SpyGate" over Iran nuke talks?



    Thoughts...comments?
    ________________________

    Ayatollah Khamenei doesn't participate in the nuclear talks. It he supports the talks & praised the negotiators.


    “Iran’s Hard-Liners Show Restraint on Nuclear Talks With U.S.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/wo...alks.html?_r=0
    EXCERPT “Ayatollah Khamenei has largely supported the nuclear talks and the Iranian negotiators, whom he has called “good and caring people, who work for the country.””CONTINUED


    "Their "Death to _________" has simply become meaningless Revolution mantra & has nothing to do with their private sentiments. McCain's casually singing of "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran is a far more chilling indicator of his (McCain's) instability

    Why politicians / Religious leaders say things they do not mean? That is a question with varied answers as old as history & diverse as different cultures.

    What is more important is Iran's deeds & they have attacked no one in 300 years in spite of foreign provocations, active Foreign "Hit Squads" & Western support for anti Iranian Terrorist groups like MEK.


    Thanks

Page 26 of 28 FirstFirst ... 162425262728 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •