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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Are you trying to suggest that the others aren't involved. Lol. Also, they all closed an interim deal in 2013, and they'll close this one too, if the obstructionists, the opponents of peace don't succeed in derailing it.
    I don't know. But it sounded as though they were just following for the moment.

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I don't know. But it sounded as though they were just following for the moment.
    Oh, I see. Well their signatures will be on the final deal.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    So, what are we negotiating for then? They don't have a nuclear program, according to Obama.
    He knows very well they have a nuclear weapons program. So does the IAEA. So does every national intelligence service in the civilized world. The hard part is enriching uranium from the 0.7% U-235 it contains in nature to the 20% level that is useful in reactors for power generation. Enriching it from 20% to the roughly 90% U-235 needed for atom bombs is a much quicker process.

    Work on the non-nuclear elements of a bomb design--precisely shaped pieces of conventional explosive, sophisticated electrical devices and circuits, parts made from other metals, deuterium and tritium, etc. could easily be going on at the same time. These components could be assembled and tested by themselves, and measurements from the tests could probably tell their scientists if there probably would have been a fission explosion if the nuclear materials had been in place.

    That kind of simulation is not as certain as a full nuclear test, and I'm sure U.S. scientists learned a lot from the various fizzled nuclear explosions that occurred in tests. Still, it must work pretty well, or this country could not have largely eliminated full test explosions. I have no idea if Iran has the technical equipment needed for these simulations to have good predictive power, but I would not want to assume it did not.

    Because all this work can be done while the uranium is being enriched, once you had, say, forty pounds of 90+% U-235, it would not take very long to form it into the necessary size and shape and assemble it with the other already-tested components. I think this is what Israel is concerned about--that because the work could proceed fast in the final stages, its estimates of just how much bomb-grade uranium Iran had manufactured would not have to be off by much for it to be too late to prevent it from making a bomb. I suspect that to start to enrich past 20% is to cross the red line Mr. Netanyahu has talked about.

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, I see. Well their signatures will be on the final deal.
    One can only hope that France and the UK persist in the though stance they had been following.

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    One can only hope that France and the UK persist in the though stance they had been following.
    UK Prime Minister Cameron urges U.S. senators: no new Iran sanctions over nukes

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2081762
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

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    UK Prime Minister Cameron urges U.S. senators: no new Iran sanctions over nukes

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2081762
    They do, however, want to have intrusive and extensive inspections and rules. That further sanctions do not make sense at this point seems to be okay. If the talks fail, sanctions would be back on the table.

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    They do, however, want to have intrusive and extensive inspections and rules. That further sanctions do not make sense at this point seems to be okay. If the talks fail, sanctions would be back on the table.
    Yes, Obama has said that. So, with minimal differences, the P5+1 are on the same page.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, Obama has said that. So, with minimal differences, the P5+1 are on the same page.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

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    Ok, so what's your point?
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