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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why Iran Should Get the Bomb
    Nuclear Balancing Would Mean Stability

    Why Iran Should Get the Bomb - Council on Foreign Relations
    W hy would a nuclear Iran be a "balance" to the region where only Israel ( non-Muslim country ) has the bomb?

    from the article: ( aside from "breakout capability" -this scenario envisions actual weaponization)

    Israel's regional nuclear monopoly, which has proved remarkably durable for the past four decades, has long fueled instability in the Middle East. In no other region of the world does a lone, unchecked nuclear state exist. It is Israel's nuclear arsenal, not Iran's desire for one, that has contributed most to the current crisis. Power, after all, begs to be balanced. What is surprising about the Israeli case is that it has taken so long for a potential balancer to emerge.
    do you agree with this? I sure don't . Israel/Gaza/west bank is it's own set of problems ,but this is absurd to say
    that Iran "balances" Israeli nukes.

    While Israel has been vocal so has Egypt, and the other Sunni states againt Iranian negotiations/nukes.

    The balance of power we are all concerned about now is between Saudi Arabia and Iran as the 2 big powers, and Sunni v. Shiite states

    I just disagree with that whole article premise, my friend

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    W hy would a nuclear Iran be a "balance" to the region where only Israel ( non-Muslim country ) has the bomb?

    from the article: ( aside from "breakout capability" -this scenario envisions actual weaponization)


    do you agree with this? I sure don't . Israel/Gaza/west bank is it's own set of problems ,but this is absurd to say
    that Iran "balances" Israeli nukes.

    While Israel has been vocal so has Egypt, and the other Sunni states againt Iranian negotiations/nukes.

    The balance of power we are all concerned about now is between Saudi Arabia and Iran as the 2 big powers, and Sunni v. Shiite states

    I just disagree with that whole article premise, my friend


    Yeah AT, some forget the Egyptians were speaking out about it.....another leader that doesn't think to highly of BO and his Team. Seems there is more of that going around.

    Oh and when the Saud speak.....are they also doing so for the other Sunni states?

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah AT, some forget the Egyptians were speaking out about it.....another leader that doesn't think to highly of BO and his Team. Seems there is more of that going around.

    Oh and when the Saud speak.....are they also doing so for the other Sunni states?
    all the Gulf states fall in line here too.
    While internecine war has weakened the natural Sunni alliance, when it comes to Iran they all recognize it's ambitions.

    SA is freaking out now with Yemen being supplied by Iranian weapons.

    I have great admiration for el-Sisi, he's talked directly to the clerics and told them they are responcible for "radical Islam" (sic)
    on his New Year's day speech ( the Prophet's B-day).

    I'm sure you know about his ideas for a regional (ME) rapid response force

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

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    Cair is a hate group

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    1. You claimed that: "Cair is a hate group"

    Who considers it a "Hate Group"?

    There are many hypocritical & "Selectively Outraged" organizations that exploit the term "Hate Group" for Information sources they simply don't like but cannot refute.


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    2. Did you read the article or research its author?

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    W hy would a nuclear Iran be a "balance" to the region where only Israel ( non-Muslim country ) has the bomb?

    from the article: ( aside from "breakout capability" -this scenario envisions actual weaponization)


    do you agree with this? I sure don't . Israel/Gaza/west bank is it's own set of problems ,but this is absurd to say
    that Iran "balances" Israeli nukes.

    While Israel has been vocal so has Egypt, and the other Sunni states againt Iranian negotiations/nukes.

    The balance of power we are all concerned about now is between Saudi Arabia and Iran as the 2 big powers, and Sunni v. Shiite states

    I just disagree with that whole article premise, my friend
    I understand that you may not have seen it, but I've been clear from day one that I prefer global nuclear eradication. But posters at DP assure me we'll never see that. If that's the case, then we'll continue to see others go after them to balance out the power. I think that you have to understand that regardless of how you see it, If Iran decides to build nuclear weapons, it will be because they seek to balance Israel's (and others) power. And that's what the senior fellow at CFR is arguing. I'm not concerned about Iran, it's a beautiful country, that unfortunately for Iranians, is run by fundies. But not suicidal fundies, despite the claims we hear to the contrary. US policies in the ME for the last dozen years have been largely beneficial to Iran.

    I will agree with you that we are now seeing a struggle for power and control of the middles east between Sunni and Shia. But I will point out that it is US policy, namely the removal of Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad that has created the opportunity for this showdown.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
    _________________________________________

    1. You claimed that: "Cair is a hate group"

    Who considers it a "Hate Group"?

    There are many hypocritical & "Selectively Outraged" organizations that exploit the term "Hate Group" for Information sources they simply don't like but cannot refute.


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    2. Did you read the article or research its author?
    It's CAIR. It's like saying "Did you read that science article from the KKK??"

    *Anti-CAIR* Defending America from the Council on American-Islamic Relations
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    The first page of this thread is proof of just how far the Internet Right Wing has gone off the deep end.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's CAIR. It's like saying "Did you read that science article from the KKK??"

    *Anti-CAIR* Defending America from the Council on American-Islamic Relations
    That's great, but what connection have they with the CFR?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The first page of this thread is proof of just how far the Internet Right Wing has gone off the deep end.
    Yeah wanting to prevent Iran from getting a nuke is SO extremist right wing!

    Democrats prepared to buck White House on Iran nuclear deal - Burgess Everett - POLITICO
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I understand that you may not have seen it, but I've been clear from day one that I prefer global nuclear eradication. But posters at DP assure me we'll never see that. If that's the case, then we'll continue to see others go after them to balance out the power. I think that you have to understand that regardless of how you see it, If Iran decides to build nuclear weapons, it will be because they seek to balance Israel's (and others) power. And that's what the senior fellow at CFR is arguing. I'm not concerned about Iran, it's a beautiful country, that unfortunately for Iranians, is run by fundies. But not suicidal fundies, despite the claims we hear to the contrary. US policies in the ME for the last dozen years have been largely beneficial to Iran.
    sure I agreea world without nukes would be better, but proliferation marches on. Once ( if ) Iran gets nukes, it's not going to stop with Israel and Iran.

    I would imagine SA will just buy their from Pakistan, then Eqypt..etc.

    I'm a great admirer of the Iranian people -I used to IM with a younger guy who told me things like the regime coming into a city block and just doing off the wall things like cutting down trees, or taking down billboards late at night.
    .
    The next day nobody asked "why" they knew the regime did what it wanted, and one just better go on with their lives.
    The people are great, but they do live in fear of the regime ( those not part of it)

    I think that is the disconnect - the people used to be very westernized under the Shah, but ayatollah Khomeini is part of the
    "reinterpretation" of Shiite clerics who no longer are concerned with Allah, but in pressing forth his (sic) agenda by governing
    and perhaps much worse

    ( look at some of the links I posted on the last page -one needs a deep understanding of this from a religious p.o.v.
    just like we need to understand ISII's motivations sacking the Mosul museum ,etc)


    Anyways Monte...I don't really agree that Iran is interested in "balance of powers" - I think it's bent on regional hegemony.
    Now they have been caught sending weapons to Yemen..why is that?
    Because Yemen is SA's underbelly.

    They are not a peaceful regime, they will fight ISIL in Iraq, and then colonize it.
    This is their pattern, I'm concerned about nukes from that apocalyptic p.o.v., but I'm really worried
    Iran is setting up proxies all over the ME,and that is a possible next flash point with the Sunni states.
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