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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Lol, annata, you've just proved my point exactly. Take Neda. Yes, Neda Agha-Soltan was murdered by the military police in Iran. However that's unfortunately unremarkable in light of what happens across the world. Russia just killed one of its most well known opposition leaders in February; Egyptian protester Shaimaa el-Sabbagh was murdered by the Egyptian police in January. A Tajik dissident leader was shot dead in Istanbul two weeks ago. I remember Neda, but I don't think she's evidence that Iran is more evil than any other of these regimes. Iran falls into the crowd where it comes to these types of states.

    Here, my distinct concern is with American nationalists who have the unfounded and unusual belief that Iran, and only Iran, is equatable to pure evil. Obviously these people aren't fans of other countries and would love to start an armed conflict with Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba or whomever is on their hit-list, but it's Iran that they're focused in on at the moment. Damn the pro-Western Iranian population or their vibrant culture, damn anything that indicates Iran is good-willed; we're watching a significant portion of the US government desperately trying to undermine not only a peace negotiation with Iran, but are undermine the sincere efforts of moderates within the Iranian government.
    Neda wasn't an "opposition leader" , I don' even remember if she was part of the protests or just out in the streets when the Basij ran wild thru the streets indiscriminately killing..

    It was pure reactionaryism to the very concept of democracy undermining the iron grip of the Ayatollah and the Guardian Council.

    Egypt had the Tahrir Square protests - these were popular protests against the E.Muslim Brottherhood usurping the Constitution and imposing a creeping
    fundamentalism on the Egyptian people who are the most secular of all Arab countries.

    I do agree with you on Russia, except again that wasn't the secret police run wild like in Iran.

    I don't go in for statements like "pure evil" there is plenty of that , but most regimes are some of each.

    The danger with Iran is "is it a rational actor" or not? Does it operate with rational understanding of MAD, if it got nukes -
    or as I've posted a few times, is the theocracy hell bent on bringing the end of times to fufill the Hadith?

    That's what makes this so ( possibly) dangerous - that and the fact Iranian hegemony is run wild,and Obama refuses to see it.

    If Obama would agree to a Congressional vote on the new negotiations (which he is not)
    do you think Congress wouldn't be in such an uproar?

    This is a MAJOR arms control agreement and should be treated as such
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Why you people seem to be so scared of a nuclear armed Iran is beyond me.

    What exactly is this horrific thing they will do with these bombs if they got them?

    Attack America? Even if they had the means..to what end? So they can immediately be obliterated by an American counter strike? No.

    Attack Israel? Why? So they can immediately be obliterated by an Israeli counter strike with nuclear-tipped IRBM's? No.

    And please save the utter nonsense of 'they will use them in a suicide attack against Israel/America because that's what radical Muslims do.' Lol...riiiiiight. They go to all this effort, decades of development and huge cost just to build some nukes to take out Israel with (even though they are not even sure they will get through Israel's missile system system) and then get themselves killed in the process? Don't make me laugh. Politicians (even religious ones) don't go to all the effort to get power just top kill themselves. They do it because they LOVE POWER. And they almost ALL want to hold on to it every second that they can.


    Surely even those ultra-paranoid-types about Iran must think their leadership is no nuttier then the whackjobs who have run North Korea since they developed nukes. And what have they done with them? Zip. Just like the 'evil' Soviet Union did zip with theirs...even as their empire was collapsing.


    Iran getting nukes is not good...the less people that have them, the better.

    But them getting them is getting GIGANTICALLY overblown by the U.S. government, media and masses.

    Plus, if they do get them, it might make Israel's leaders act a tad nicer to their neighbors/the Palestinians (though I doubt it) since they will no longer have a nuclear monopoly in the Middle East.
    The Council on Foreign Relations has advanced the argument that a nuclear weapon powered Iran would be a stabilizing factor in the region!
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The Council on Foreign Relations has advanced the argument that a nuclear weapon powered Iran would be a stabilizing factor in the region!
    Link please.

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Who said you did Monte.....oh and that's exactly what you do. Hate on the US and like you have shown. You don't care if they are Democrat or Republican. Don't forget in one of your other rants on the US.

    You blamed the US for its beginnings even before we became a nation. Now that's Hate Monte.....and you wear it well.
    No, I criticize government policies. You on the other hand, hate on the American president, and his party, and all his supporters. You really should seek help and counseling for such self destructive behavior. And your hypocrisy, that's not helping anything in America, it perpetuates more government wrong doing.

    Now, before we get a in thread warning, tell me exactly why it is that you can't even leave your criticism behind concerning Obama extending a New Years greeting to the Iranians, hmm. Really, what is harmful in that?
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Link please.
    Why Iran Should Get the Bomb
    Nuclear Balancing Would Mean Stability

    Why Iran Should Get the Bomb - Council on Foreign Relations
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, I criticize government policies. You on the other hand, hate on the American president, and his party, and all his supporters. You really should seek help and counseling for such self destructive behavior. And your hypocrisy, that's not helping anything in America, it perpetuates more government wrong doing.

    Now, before we get a in thread warning, tell me exactly why it is that you can't even leave your criticism behind concerning Obama extending a New Years greeting to the Iranians, hmm. Really, what is harmful in that?


    No I don't hate him nor them....theres a difference. I don't put up with their BS. Nor do I give them a pass. Nor do I fall for that mantra you preach.....as you already know that you blamed the US. For even becoming a Country. Which goes back to Philosophy 101 on humankind and your incorporation of it with politics.

    Btw Monte....you should look up in the Candidates in the Elections Forum about me bashing those on the Right. From Ted Cruz to Rand Paul. That's now in the current times and not back when your favorite Repub to blame was in. Buuuuuuuuuuuush Jr.

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't owe you jack ****. And your hatred of the American president is obvious to all. As is your hatred of one half of Americans, the entire Democratic Party and all of Obama's supporters. That's hate. I criticize US policies that are drafted and advanced by a comparative few. And you would have never criticized Bush, had he offered the Iranians a New Years greeting. But such is your hypocrisy, you'll never confess to that.
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    I think you've just described about half of the Comment writers here as far as hating Obama as if that were a policy solution to dealing with Iran; a country that has attacked no one in 300 years.

    I also disagree with many of Obama's policies (i.e. 2nd Amendment) & the egregious double standard that exemplifies America's Mid East Policy in general.

    However, there is far more to be gained by improved relations with Iran than War or additional, hypocritical sanctions over a nuclear program that is far more transparent than America's #1 aid recipient.


    Many thanks





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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
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    I think you've just described about half of the Comment writers here as far as hating Obama as if that were a policy solution to dealing with Iran; a country that has attacked no one in 300 years.

    I also disagree with many of Obama's policies (i.e. 2nd Amendment) & the egregious double standard that exemplifies America's Mid East Policy in general.

    However, there is far more to be gained by improved relations with Iran than War or additional, hypocritical sanctions over a nuclear program that is far more transparent than America's #1 aid recipient.


    Many thanks





    "One of the most horrible features of war is that all the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are NOT fighting."
    George Orwell, 1938
    I agree, great Orwell quote too. I've not seen that before.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The Council on Foreign Relations has advanced the argument that a nuclear weapon powered Iran would be a stabilizing factor in the region!
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    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

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    What has CAIR to do with anything?
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