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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    They're not going to be allowed to have a nuclear program without western sniffers.
    Because, inspectors always get to the bottom of things right?
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yes even to independents even though they aren't part of a party. Their politics would be partisan to them. You can now move to the middle of the class.

    Oh and I don't vote down the party line nor have I ever.....despite your tangent on using both US parties to run around with that Anti American rhetoric and trash the US. Showing all just how much you luv this Country.
    I don't owe you jack ****. And your hatred of the American president is obvious to all. As is your hatred of one half of Americans, the entire Democratic Party and all of Obama's supporters. That's hate. I criticize US policies that are drafted and advanced by a comparative few. And you would have never criticized Bush, had he offered the Iranians a New Years greeting. But such is your hypocrisy, you'll never confess to that.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Because, inspectors always get to the bottom of things right?
    Not if you tell them to get the hell out of the way, and start bombing, no. There could have been no Iraq war had Blix been allowed to finish his UN appointed job. He had to be ordered out. With any luck, Obama will follow the rational path he's been on, and freaks like McCain and Netanyahu will be forced to sit, quietly!
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    I'm perfectly happy with the tact that Obama is taking with Iran.

    The majority of the world is able to work perfectly decently with Iran. As a German, for example, you can fly into Iran and live and work at the Iranian branch of Siemens or Krupp without any Iranian or German ever thinking twice. It's a completely unremarkable situation, because believe it or not, Iran is a completely middle-of-the-road, 80 million pop country that falls into line with the expectations/problems we have with every other non-Western developing country.

    America (and Israel) is the only odd one out here. No other countries have such bizarre trust issues with Iran, nor does Iran have such difficulty rest of the world, probably because the rest of the world doesn't have such a large number of Cowboy-diplomat, conservative jingoists who seem to want to level Iran every chance they get.
    Reagan wrote to and even phoned Gorbachev often during nuclear arms negotiations. Yet, the far Right-wing space nuts thumb their noses up over Pres. Obama doing the same thing with Iran? How absurd!

    Are you guys that fearful of Iran nuking us or do you really despise any and all efforts at peace at every turn when a Democrat tries it? Are you that desperate to go to war?
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Why you people seem to be so scared of a nuclear armed Iran is beyond me.

    What exactly is this horrific thing they will do with these bombs if they got them?

    Attack America? Even if they had the means..to what end? So they can immediately be obliterated by an American counter strike? No.

    Attack Israel? Why? So they can immediately be obliterated by an Israeli counter strike with nuclear-tipped IRBM's? No.

    And please save the utter nonsense of 'they will use them in a suicide attack against Israel/America because that's what radical Muslims do.' Lol...riiiiiight. They go to all this effort, decades of development and huge cost just to build some nukes to take out Israel with (even though they are not even sure they will get through Israel's missile system system) and then get themselves killed in the process? Don't make me laugh. Politicians (even religious ones) don't go to all the effort to get power just top kill themselves. They do it because they LOVE POWER. And they almost ALL want to hold on to it every second that they can.


    Surely even those ultra-paranoid-types about Iran must think their leadership is no nuttier then the whackjobs who have run North Korea since they developed nukes. And what have they done with them? Zip. Just like the 'evil' Soviet Union did zip with theirs...even as their empire was collapsing.


    Iran getting nukes is not good...the less people that have them, the better.

    But them getting them is getting GIGANTICALLY overblown by the U.S. government, media and masses.

    Plus, if they do get them, it might make Israel's leaders act a tad nicer to their neighbors/the Palestinians (though I doubt it) since they will no longer have a nuclear monopoly in the Middle East.

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Iran is "middle of the road?" Look I get the idea the Europeans are lining up for business deals, and I really am not all that concerned with Iranian nukes
    one way or the other ( I don't even thing Iran wants them at this point -they are doing quite well in Yemen/Damascus/Lebanon/Iraq..
    and I've rad about their intelligence infiltrations too ( but I don't felllike sourcing that -so you can ignore it if you want).
    The point is they are bent on regional dominance and hegemony - and not just the "Shiite Crescent" either

    The Iranian people are decent, and pro-western. They were before the revolution, and if you go to Tehran you'll see lipstick shops ,and make up, and Iranian women with nose jobs for fashion. ( Tehran has more nose jobs then even Beverly Hills)

    But you'll also find the "fashion police" and they will take women off to jail for "over-exposure" (sic).

    It's not a middle of the road regime. It's repressive/secretive/and despodic/and if you recall the 2009 election
    the basij had no compunction murdering there own people in the street.

    Remember Neda?




    Iranian Girl Shot: Neda Becomes Symbol Of Rebellion In Iran
    Iranian Girl Shot: Neda Becomes Symbol Of Rebellion In Iran


    So spare us with "America & Israel" are out of touch, and look at the Gulf states too who are increasingly worried about Iranian tentacles
    in the region.

    The Iranian people have a vibrant culture and history, and much of it is frowned upon by the regime.
    It's a dour, and mirthless bunch of clerics led by Khamenei -and his tweets of "Israel must be wiped off the map"
    Lol, annata, you've just proved my point exactly. Take Neda. Yes, Neda Agha-Soltan was murdered by the military police in Iran. However that's unfortunately unremarkable in light of what happens across the world. Russia just killed one of its most well known opposition leaders in February; Egyptian protester Shaimaa el-Sabbagh was murdered by the Egyptian police in January. A Tajik dissident leader was shot dead in Istanbul two weeks ago. I remember Neda, but I don't think she's evidence that Iran is more evil than any other of these regimes. Iran falls into the crowd where it comes to these types of states.

    Here, my distinct concern is with American nationalists who have the unfounded and unusual belief that Iran, and only Iran, is equatable to pure evil. Obviously these people aren't fans of other countries and would love to start an armed conflict with Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba or whomever is on their hit-list, but it's Iran that they're focused in on at the moment. Damn the pro-Western Iranian population or their vibrant culture, damn anything that indicates Iran is good-willed; we're watching a significant portion of the US government desperately trying to undermine not only a peace negotiation with Iran, but are undermine the sincere efforts of moderates within the Iranian government.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Reagan wrote to and even phoned Gorbachev often during nuclear arms negotiations. Yet, the far Right-wing space nuts thumb their noses up over Pres. Obama doing the same thing with Iran? How absurd!

    Are you guys that fearful of Iran nuking us or do you really despise any and all efforts at peace at every turn when a Democrat tries it? Are you that desperate to go to war?
    This was a fairly recent movie "the coming" ( the twelth Iman Madhi)
    http://atimetobetray.com/blog/iran-l...tch-the-video/
    Their belief is based on the centuries old Hadith by Prophet Mohammad and his descendants, who have provided clear guidance as to the timing of The Coming.

    According to the Hadith in the age of The Coming, a revolution takes place in Iran. This is a key sign indicating that the reappearance is near and serves as the initial preparation in the worldwide movement for The Coming of the last messiah. Based on this belief, the leaders of Iran see it as their duty to prepare the ground for The Coming. One of the most important events to securing the reappearance of the last Messiah, as called for in the Hadith, is the annihilation of Israel and conquering Beitol Moghadas (Jerusalem). They state with conviction that Islam will soon conquer the world and all infidels will be destroyed.

    The pursuit of nuclear bombs by the radicals ruling Iran is directly connected to this belief, as war, chaos, and lawlessness must engulf the world to pave the way for Imam Mahdi’s reappearance
    I don't know - I don't think anyone "knows" exactly what the Iranain theocracy wants or not.

    I found this to be a good look at the rise of Iranian fundamentalism:
    Shiite Islam and Islamic Fundamentalism | Martin Kramer on the Middle East
    The second radical reinterpretation concerned the role of the ulama—those learned in Shiite law. The traditional view held that human history had gone so far astray that only God could right it, that all government was corrupt, and that true men of God kept their distance from rulers and their palaces. The Messiah would eventually right all wrongs; it remained to the ulama to keep alive the pure flame, so that man might always know the true way. But the reinterpreters, going back to a particular text, suddenly announced that this traditional interpretation had not only been flawed, but that God had intended exactly the opposite: that the clerics themselves should rule, that they should struggle to implement God’s law here and now, that they should leave their dry books and lead the people to anti-imperialist revolution and justice.
    so who really knows..ISIL we know about, but the Shia equivalent in Iran we just don't

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Reagan wrote to and even phoned Gorbachev often during nuclear arms negotiations. Yet, the far Right-wing space nuts thumb their noses up over Pres. Obama doing the same thing with Iran? How absurd!

    Are you guys that fearful of Iran nuking us or do you really despise any and all efforts at peace at every turn when a Democrat tries it? Are you that desperate to go to war?
    I think you quoted the wrong person. I'm supportive of the P5+1 Iranian negotiations.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Reagan wrote to and even phoned Gorbachev often during nuclear arms negotiations. Yet, the far Right-wing space nuts thumb their noses up over Pres. Obama doing the same thing with Iran? How absurd!

    Are you guys that fearful of Iran nuking us or do you really despise any and all efforts at peace at every turn when a Democrat tries it? Are you that desperate to go to war?


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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't owe you jack ****. And your hatred of the American president is obvious to all. As is your hatred of one half of Americans, the entire Democratic Party and all of Obama's supporters. That's hate. I criticize US policies that are drafted and advanced by a comparative few. And you would have never criticized Bush, had he offered the Iranians a New Years greeting. But such is your hypocrisy, you'll never confess to that.
    Who said you did Monte.....oh and that's exactly what you do. Hate on the US and like you have shown. You don't care if they are Democrat or Republican. Don't forget in one of your other rants on the US.

    You blamed the US for its beginnings even before we became a nation. Now that's Hate Monte.....and you wear it well.

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