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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Are you trying to suggest that the others aren't involved. Lol. Also, they all closed an interim deal in 2013, and they'll close this one too, if the obstructionists, the opponents of peace don't succeed in derailing it.
    Wait, didn't Obama just announce that the leader of Iran has declared some kind of Fartwa against producing nuclear weapons, as he was telling them how we are all celebrating Nowruz (I know I am!)?

    So what are we negotiating? They just canned their Nuke program.
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No there not. Not to every one. There are independent thinkers who view issues on their merits rather than a parties ideology. Not everyone lines up and votes the party like you. But I'll concede that most do.
    Yes even to independents even though they aren't part of a party. Their politics would be partisan to them. You can now move to the middle of the class.

    Oh and I don't vote down the party line nor have I ever.....despite your tangent on using both US parties to run around with that Anti American rhetoric and trash the US. Showing all just how much you luv this Country.

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You are consumed, obsessed even with with trashing the American president, his party and all his supporters daily, constantly, you probably dream about it. There's nothing more UNAMERICAN than a patronizing partisan that demonizes one side, and thinks his **** doesn't stink. And you my dear, own that!!!!
    What drivel. Agressive partisan debate, including harsh attacks on politicians, has been a staple feature of American culture since the beginning, before there was a United States. Political debate is completely American, which explains why America-hating collectivists detest free speech. They pout when anyone dares disagree with what they imagine to be their superior wisdom, just like their limpwristed, petulant president. These people usually fancy themselves "liberals," and yet they are the very opposite--nasty, intolerant, and bent on controlling other people.

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    I'm perfectly happy with the tact that Obama is taking with Iran.

    The majority of the world is able to work perfectly decently with Iran. As a German, for example, you can fly into Iran and live and work at the Iranian branch of Siemens or Krupp without any Iranian or German ever thinking twice. It's a completely unremarkable situation, because believe it or not, Iran is a completely middle-of-the-road, 80 million pop country that falls into line with the expectations/problems we have with every other non-Western developing country.

    America (and Israel) is the only odd one out here. No other countries have such bizarre trust issues with Iran, nor does Iran have such difficulty rest of the world, probably because the rest of the world doesn't have such a large number of Cowboy-diplomat, conservative jingoists who seem to want to level Iran every chance they get.
    Iran is "middle of the road?" Look I get the idea the Europeans are lining up for business deals, and I really am not all that concerned with Iranian nukes
    one way or the other ( I don't even thing Iran wants them at this point -they are doing quite well in Yemen/Damascus/Lebanon/Iraq..
    and I've rad about their intelligence infiltrations too ( but I don't felllike sourcing that -so you can ignore it if you want).
    The point is they are bent on regional dominance and hegemony - and not just the "Shiite Crescent" either

    The Iranian people are decent, and pro-western. They were before the revolution, and if you go to Tehran you'll see lipstick shops ,and make up, and Iranian women with nose jobs for fashion. ( Tehran has more nose jobs then even Beverly Hills)

    But you'll also find the "fashion police" and they will take women off to jail for "over-exposure" (sic).

    It's not a middle of the road regime. It's repressive/secretive/and despodic/and if you recall the 2009 election
    the basij had no compunction murdering there own people in the street.

    Remember Neda?




    Iranian Girl Shot: Neda Becomes Symbol Of Rebellion In Iran
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...n_218804.html?
    She lies in the Tehran street with her headscarf half-off, blood pooling around her jeans and white sneakers.

    "Don't be afraid, Neda dear, don't be afraid," a white-haired man says desperately in Persian. Another man presses on her chest, trying to keep her alive.

    Scarlet blood gushes from her nose and mouth and courses across her pale face. Men and women scream in horror as they realize she is dead or dying.
    So spare us with "America & Israel" are out of touch, and look at the Gulf states too who are increasingly worried about Iranian tentacles
    in the region.

    The Iranian people have a vibrant culture and history, and much of it is frowned upon by the regime.
    It's a dour, and mirthless bunch of clerics led by Khamenei -and his tweets of "Israel must be wiped off the map"
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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Anyone who has traveled to Iran knows what a wonderful country it is. Most Americans don't make it over there and are easily frightened by an agenda driven government with corporate interests at stake. "Do we have to wait for the smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud over a US city?"
    the people are wonderful, Persian culture is wonderful, and if you stay in the cities you won't find a lot of "death to America"
    You'll find more in the countryside.. kina like our cities tend to be more cosmopolitan

    But not the regime..the regime is bent on..
    Radical Shia Eschatology, Iran’s View of the End Times
    https://ronconte.wordpress.com/2012/...the-end-times/
    Both Christianity and Islam have prophecies about the End Times (the apocalypse). In one Muslim prophecy, Islam conquers Europe. In another Muslim prophecy, Islam conquers the whole world: all Christians and Jews either convert or die. In the radical Shia version of Islamic eschatology, the end times is seen as a time of war, in which Islam succeeds in conquering Christians and Jews. This war is viewed as the path to an eventually domination of the whole world by Islam.

    Now you might object to this information about Muslim eschatology, saying that no nation is influenced or led by this type of apocalyptic theology. Not so. There have been repeated reports in the news media that the President of Iran, and some of the Ayatollahs who installed him in that position, are believers in a particular and very radical version of Muslim eschatology.
    Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are convinced that the End of Days has come. They believe the Shia messiah known as the ‘Twelfth Imam’ or the ‘Mahdi’ will appear soon to establish a global Islamic kingdom known as the caliphate
    in this regards they aren't any better then ISIL - which is Sunni fundamentalism apocalyptic

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Iran is "middle of the road?" Look I get the idea the Europeans are lining up for business deals, and I really am not all that concerned with Iranian nukes
    one way or the other ( I don't even thing Iran wants them at this point -they are doing quite well in Yemen/Damascus/Lebanon/Iraq..
    and I've rad about their intelligence infiltrations too ( but I don't felllike sourcing that -so you can ignore it if you want).
    The point is they are bent on regional dominance and hegemony - and not just the "Shiite Crescent" either

    The Iranian people are decent, and pro-western. They were before the revolution, and if you go to Tehran you'll see lipstick shops ,and make up, and Iranian women with nose jobs for fashion. ( Tehran has more nose jobs then even Beverly Hills)

    But you'll also find the "fashion police" and they will take women off to jail for "over-exposure" (sic).

    It's not a middle of the road regime. It's repressive/secretive/and despodic/and if you recall the 2009 election
    the basij had no compunction murdering there own people in the street.

    Remember Neda?




    Iranian Girl Shot: Neda Becomes Symbol Of Rebellion In Iran
    Iranian Girl Shot: Neda Becomes Symbol Of Rebellion In Iran


    So spare us with "America & Israel" are out of touch, and look at the Gulf states too who are increasingly worried about Iranian tentacles
    in the region.

    The Iranian people have a vibrant culture and history, and much of it is frowned upon by the regime.
    It's a dour, and mirthless bunch of clerics led by Khamenei -and his tweets of "Israel must be wiped off the map"

    great post... thank you for mentioning Neda... very brave women

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Are you trying to suggest that the others aren't involved. Lol. Also, they all closed an interim deal in 2013, and they'll close this one too, if the obstructionists, the opponents of peace don't succeed in derailing it.
    If Iran suddenly, say in later 2015 or 2016 tests a nuke, what will say? Will you care?

    If Iran lobs one across at Israel, will you care?
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Wait, didn't Obama just announce that the leader of Iran has declared some kind of Fartwa against producing nuclear weapons, as he was telling them how we are all celebrating Nowruz (I know I am!)?

    So what are we negotiating? They just canned their Nuke program.
    Iran is likely patronizing P5+1. The fatwa isn't new.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    If Iran suddenly, say in later 2015 or 2016 tests a nuke, what will say? Will you care?

    If Iran lobs one across at Israel, will you care?
    Sure, just as I would have cared had Hussein produced a mushroom cloud over a US city. But he didn't, he had neither the interest or the means. I guess some people never learn a lesson. Clumsy as he was at expressing it, Bush did tell you, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama Sends Iran a Nowruz Message, Calls Nuclear Talks a 'Historic Opportunity'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Iran is likely patronizing P5+1. The fatwa isn't new.
    They're not going to be allowed to have a nuclear program without western sniffers.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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