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    Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

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    CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (AP) — About 1,000 students gathered at the University of Virginia campus Wednesday night to demand justice for a student who was injured during an arrest and appears in a photo with a bloody face as an officer holds him down.
    Gov. Terry McAuliffe has called for an investigation into the early-morning arrest of Martese Johnson. His lawyer says he needed 10 stitches in his head.
    Court records show that Martese Johnson was charged on two counts: obstruction of justice without force, and public swearing or intoxication.

    The Alcoholic Beverage Control agent who made the arrest, listed in court records as J. Miller, said in the arrest report that Johnson "was very agitated and belligerent."
    But a group calling itself "Concerned Black Students" says Johnson's arrest was unprovoked and extreme.



    About 1,000 students gathered at the University of Virginia campus Wednesday night to demand justice for a student who was injured during an arrest and appears in a photo with a bloody face as he is being held down by an officer.
    Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe has also called for an investigation into the early-morning arrest of Martese Johnson, whose lawyer said he needed 10 stitches in his head.
    Martese Johnson was charged on two counts: obstruction of justice without force, and public swearing or intoxication, Charlottesville General District Court records show.

    Court records show that Johnson was charged with obstruction of… The Alcoholic Beverage Control agent who made the arrest, listed in court records as J. Miller, said in the arrest report that Johnson "was very agitated and belligerent."

    A statement from a group calling itself "Concerned Black Students," however, claims the arrest of Johnson was unprovoked and extreme.

    "The brutish force used resulted in his head and bodily injuries," the group said in a statement. "His treatment was unprovoked as he did not resist questioning or arrest."

    Wednesday night's rally was moved several times, finally ending up at an outdoor amphitheater after more students than expected showed up.
    "If we don't get it, shut it down!" many chanted in unison.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/...id=ansnewsap11
    So a few thoughts:

    The facts are 1.) Martese Johnson was not of age to get into the bar 2.) ABC and Police were correct in pulling him aside after the bouncer rejected his entry. 3.) That Johnson was restrained is not a surprise. 4.) ABC in Va. and especially with U Va. students have had a "heavy handed" method in the past (see the article). 5.) The police did not use a taser or shoot Johnson as has been shown in similar types of arrests around the country. 6.) Johnson is black.

    The country is in quite a tizzy about race - when and if a black person is arrested now, it has a good chance of becoming national news and if they are bloody ("if it bleeds, it leads") the media will jump all over it, giving activists quite a forum and echo chamber to vent their frustrations adding to the anti-police weight. In this particular case, it's unfortunate that Johnson hit his head and required stitches - it's not clear if the police were the cause of that or if during the restraint, he simply slipped or lost balance. There is a difference between the cops slamming his head repeatedly (I'm making this part up) into the concrete vs. Johnson accidentally getting the cut. Does this mean every time a black man is arrested it becomes national news? Should that be the case? In NJ just this past week, a black man with 4 others in a car was pulled over on Rt. 206 and refused to provide the cop his credentials and refuses to exit the car.
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    The police and ABC are known to be abusive does not excuse their abuse. I saw one article that indicates the sidewalk was spattered with his blood. I saw cellphone video taken after they had him down on the concrete while still in the process of cuffing him in which others were already yelling about his head bleeding. It is not clear to me if his charges is related to being drunk or because he told the officers what they were doing is f-ing racist. Seems a pretty unnecessary use of force to me either way.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So a few thoughts:

    The facts are 1.) Martese Johnson was not of age to get into the bar 2.) ABC and Police were correct in pulling him aside after the bouncer rejected his entry. 3.) That Johnson was restrained is not a surprise. 4.) ABC in Va. and especially with U Va. students have had a "heavy handed" method in the past (see the article). 5.) The police did not use a taser or shoot Johnson as has been shown in similar types of arrests around the country. 6.) Johnson is black.

    The country is in quite a tizzy about race - when and if a black person is arrested now, it has a good chance of becoming national news and if they are bloody ("if it bleeds, it leads") the media will jump all over it, giving activists quite a forum and echo chamber to vent their frustrations adding to the anti-police weight. In this particular case, it's unfortunate that Johnson hit his head and required stitches - it's not clear if the police were the cause of that or if during the restraint, he simply slipped or lost balance. There is a difference between the cops slamming his head repeatedly (I'm making this part up) into the concrete vs. Johnson accidentally getting the cut. Does this mean every time a black man is arrested it becomes national news? Should that be the case? In NJ just this past week, a black man with 4 others in a car was pulled over on Rt. 206 and refused to provide the cop his credentials and refuses to exit the car.
    If he was white, this wouldn't make the news.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If he was white, this wouldn't make the news.
    Correct. Because if he was white and subject to police brutality, an investigation would start immediately and not require public outcry to prompt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    The police and ABC are known to be abusive does not excuse their abuse. I saw one article that indicates the sidewalk was spattered with his blood. I saw cellphone video taken after they had him down on the concrete while still in the process of cuffing him in which others were already yelling about his head bleeding. It is not clear to me if his charges is related to being drunk or because he told the officers what they were doing is f-ing racist. Seems a pretty unnecessary use of force to me either way.
    Do you have a link to that video you mentioned? From what I could see of the article here there was only one police officer holding him down. Hardly unnecessary force if he's in an agitated state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Correct. Because if he was white and subject to police brutality, an investigation would start immediately and not require public outcry to prompt it.
    I'm sure that you have plenty of statistics to back this up right?
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Do you have a link to that video you mentioned? From what I could see of the article here there was only one police officer holding him down. Hardly unnecessary force if he's in an agitated state.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Correct. Because if he was white and subject to police brutality, an investigation would start immediately and not require public outcry to prompt it.
    Since white underage drinking is just as prevalent as black under age drinking, perhaps you can cite an investigation @ U Va. by ABC and white kids underage drinking which caused injury, and where an investigation started immediately and did not need public outcry? At least two within say, the last 2 years would be fine.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    He kept asking, "How did this happen?" Well it happened because he is underage and trying to get into a bar.

    His constant "You ****ing racist" comments were not helping. The video doesn't show the take down but in this case, Johnson should be happy he wasn't tazed or shot and that the officers only scuffed him up a bit. To the point I made in the OP though.... every time you see a black person get arrested now, we'll see the "You ****ing racist" epithet used because it makes news and the authorities will be automatically put on their heels as the DoJ and State legislatures as well as the standard NAACP and other organization dog pile on. In this particular case the cops did right and it looks to me, at this point, like it was a perfectly legal restraint of this individual.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Thanks. At least in that I see two cops holding him down and the third one occasionally helping a bit with trying to get the cuffs on. However there still isn't anything to indicate how exactly the guy got his head to bleeding. As is I don't see excessive force.
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