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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I think he got charged with obstruction of justice not disturbing the peace.
    Still the samething. Since they charge you with it when they done wrong

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    My gut tells me it's like this: (and my gut is sometimes very wrong so ...)

    The guy was bar hopping with his friends. They already had a snoot full and got stopped at this one bar by the bouncer. Johnson has some words with the bouncer and the bouncer informs ABC cops this guy is drunk, underage and tried to get into the bar. ABC takes him over to the side, quickly see he's drunk - they get his id and find out he's under age. Johnson get's mouthy and abusive. Cops decide they're going to charge him and that he's too drunk to send home so they attempt to cuff him. He resist. They have to wrestle the guy to the ground where he is injured during the scuffle and bleeds. Johnson yells "racist" because even in his drunk state he knows someone would be getting it on camera.

    Now... I might be 100% wrong and the cops may have beat the **** out of him but until such evidence is shown, that's what I think happened.
    The evidence has been shown. The photo is evidence of excessive force.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And being a student at UVA doesn't give you the right to scream "****ing racists" at cops any more than being a cop gives you the right to beat someone.
    Because the first amendent says you can't insult police officers or they can beat you down.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Yeah the first admentment gives you the right to insult the police and not get beaten for it in the process

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I think he got charged with obstruction of justice not disturbing the peace.
    They listed two charges - one was 18.2-388, which reads in part - "If any person profanely curses or swears or is intoxicated in public." The description only mentions public intoxication, but he apparently wasn't drunk.

    The actual crime appears to be not showing proper respect to cops behaving like a$$holes. Thankfully they didn't shoot or taze him.....

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    The police and ABC are known to be abusive does not excuse their abuse. I saw one article that indicates the sidewalk was spattered with his blood. I saw cellphone video taken after they had him down on the concrete while still in the process of cuffing him in which others were already yelling about his head bleeding. It is not clear to me if his charges is related to being drunk or because he told the officers what they were doing is f-ing racist. Seems a pretty unnecessary use of force to me either way.
    that's the problem, you only saw part of the story. You didn't see the part where, if the officer is being accurate, the issue really happened. If the guy was refusing to what he was being asked to do and got belligerent with the officer, then there's a good chance that he ended up in the state he was in out of his own stupidity. We need to KNOW the whole story form sources that are as objective and disinterested as possible in the situation. Instead we get bits and pieces from people who want a cause to get behind and, if past experiences show anything, are willing to lie just to stir crap up. Let's get all the facts and then decide what happened and if the officer was out of line.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    They listed two charges - one was 18.2-388, which reads in part - "If any person profanely curses or swears or is intoxicated in public." The description only mentions public intoxication, but he apparently wasn't drunk.

    The actual crime appears to be not showing proper respect to cops behaving like a$$holes. Thankfully they didn't shoot or taze him.....
    How do you know this??
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    If underage drinking (assuming that is what he was doing) warrants having your head busted against the pavement, what should be the punishment for white collar crimes? We don't need any judges and juries--we just need some God Fearing Police Officers to punish people with thousands in medical bills because the $25 fines are not keeping those people in their places.

    You know some people just like to go to where the other people are without some nefarious intent. How dare a college student in a college town want to go into an Irish themed pub with St. Patty's Day upon us and all....
    How do you know his head was busted against the pavement??? If he was resisting the officers, he may have very well gotten cut on any number of items, like the officer's handcuffs, a garbage can that next to them, his own watch. Show me something that shows just how his head got cut.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't think I have a First Amendment right to walk into the center of Somerville, New Jersey and scream "You're ****ing racists" at the top of my lungs, am I? I would think I'd get arrested or told to stop at some point.
    Actually you do. Assuming you don't violate noise ordinances.

    As to the cops if they can't calmly handle a kid cursing them they need to find a different line of work.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    First I think the kid was of age and had a valid ID. Even if he didn't underage kids sneaking into bars is as old as drinking age laws. BFD. There's no reason it should have escalated. There's no reason for the heavy hand of the law here.
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