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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I would as well. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but unlike other people, I'm not claiming to know what did happen.

    And being a student at UVA doesn't give you the right to scream "****ing racists" at cops any more than being a cop gives you the right to beat someone.

    I'd just like to see the beating that he got that resulted in 10 stitches. All of those people around on one of the busiest drinking nights of the year, and not one person got it on video?
    My gut tells me it's like this: (and my gut is sometimes very wrong so ...)

    The guy was bar hopping with his friends. They already had a snoot full and got stopped at this one bar by the bouncer. Johnson has some words with the bouncer and the bouncer informs ABC cops this guy is drunk, underage and tried to get into the bar. ABC takes him over to the side, quickly see he's drunk - they get his id and find out he's under age. Johnson get's mouthy and abusive. Cops decide they're going to charge him and that he's too drunk to send home so they attempt to cuff him. He resist. They have to wrestle the guy to the ground where he is injured during the scuffle and bleeds. Johnson yells "racist" because even in his drunk state he knows someone would be getting it on camera.

    Now... I might be 100% wrong and the cops may have beat the **** out of him but until such evidence is shown, that's what I think happened.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Yeah, I am suprised he needed only ten stitches with how much he is bleeding in that photo. I am also surprised that their is no video in a college town full of college age kids that would die with out their phones.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    If he was drunk, and had a cut on his head that only required 10 stitches, he'd bleed alot. lol


    The reality of this is if there it no video, it's he said. she said.
    The head bleeds a lot. One of my kids tripped in an Agway last month and hit his head on a shelf. I thought Charles Manson had gotten loose. He needed 7 stitches, and I haven't seen such bleeding since the last time I saw Dawn Of The Dead. My other kids get have had quite a few head stitches because of hockey. And they also bleed a lot.

    But you're right about "he said she said". That's all this is right now. I'm still curious why there is no vide of the actual beating, unless someone is holding out for the right offer from Current Affair.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post



    Note the calmness on the cops, no animosity showing, and ignoring the "racists" insults. Given watching them here, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that the drunk d00d, probably got himself into trouble.

    10 stitches is nothing.
    Yup, I saw that one too. I've seen a few, from different angles, and that's what they all look like. There's no beating there.

    Did they run a blood alcohol test on him? I haven't seen that anywhere yet either.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    My gut tells me it's like this: (and my gut is sometimes very wrong so ...)

    The guy was bar hopping with his friends. They already had a snoot full and got stopped at this one bar by the bouncer. Johnson has some words with the bouncer and the bouncer informs ABC cops this guy is drunk, underage and tried to get into the bar. ABC takes him over to the side, quickly see he's drunk - they get his id and find out he's under age. Johnson get's mouthy and abusive. Cops decide they're going to charge him and that he's too drunk to send home so they attempt to cuff him. He resist. They have to wrestle the guy to the ground where he is injured during the scuffle and bleeds. Johnson yells "racist" because even in his drunk state he knows someone would be getting it on camera.

    Now... I might be 100% wrong and the cops may have beat the **** out of him but until such evidence is shown, that's what I think happened.
    That could be entirely possible. His screaming at the cops and calling him "****ing racists" is really obnoxious. I can't believe how calm they remained when he did that.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    From what video is provided, and the fact that Johnson was not tazed or shot I think you're incorrect.
    Classic - too bad we don't have an "authoritarian" lean option, because it's only an authoritarian who would cite NOT being tazed or shot as some kind of evidence of cops behaving appropriately.

    The circumstances as to how he got that injury are still to be discussed. The accusations he was "beaten" are outright lies given the evidence that's available.
    The circumstances as to how he got that injury are what we're discussing - he showed a valid ID, and wasn't charged with using force against the police. Somehow he ended up with 10 stitches. That he might not have been "beaten" are irrelevant. Their use of force caused that injury.

    Irrelevant what kind of student or committee he belongs to.
    Oh, right, it's irrelevant unless the person has a record, then we can damn him based on his past, but when the record shows he's unlikely to be the kind of person to take on the police for no reason, we can disregard that and assume the cops acted entirely appropriately. Got it.

    A person who is drunk, resisting police and getting belligerent will be restrained for their own safety and the police's safety as well. It's common procedure and perfectly legal. Again, stupid is as stupid does. The accusations of "beatings" and "racism" is BS and unless there is more evidence showing such things occur, it will simply be more racial tension hype with no substance.
    The resisting police and belligerence are allegations. We don't have any belligerence on tape, unless that includes protesting what the kid believed was a BS arrest.

    Unlike many, I do not hate the state in all cases just because I have libertarian leanings. I DO however, judge cases on their own merit .... it never ceases to amaze me how ignorant people are of libertarian views.
    It's not that you don't "hate the state in all cases." But in this case you're going out of your way to give the benefit of the doubt to the police state. And, unbelievably for a conservative/libertarian, claiming that he wasn't SHOT means the police were properly trained!!! Seriously - that's insane. They didn't even charge him with using any force while "obstructing justice." They didn't charge him with using a fake ID. He did nothing wrong, and you're defending idiots who escalated what should have been a kid being turned away and going about the rest of his night into a bloody arrest. At a minimum, the bar you expect the police state to meet is so low as to be nearly non-existent. That's a very odd view for someone who otherwise distrusts the exercise of state power.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryriena View Post
    Yeah, I am suprised he needed only ten stitches with how much he is bleeding in that photo. I am also surprised that their is no video in a college town full of college age kids that would die with out their phones.
    Ten stitches anywhere in the face isn't that many.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    From the San Francisco bay news paper http://http://sfbayview.com/2015/03/...attorney-says/

    Johnson was standing near the Trinity Irish Pub around 12:30 a.m. Wednesday, Watkins said, when “an employee of the establishment approached him and asked for his license.”

    The employee quizzed Johnson about his zip code, and Johnson provided his mother’s current zip code, Watkins said. The number is different from the one listed on his current Illinois license. Watkins said that at that point, Virginia ABC agents questioned Johnson about being in possession of false identification.

    Johnson is originally from Chicago, where his mother still lives. He was never in possession of a fake ID, Watkins said.

    The Virginia ABC agents then forced Johnson to the ground, where they handcuffed him while “his face and skull [were] bleeding and needing surgery, all of this over two alleged offenses,” Watkins said.
    He was not carrying a fake ID in apparently he passed the breathalyzer test that he was given.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryriena View Post
    Yeah, I am suprised he needed only ten stitches with how much he is bleeding in that photo. I am also surprised that their is no video in a college town full of college age kids that would die with out their phones.


    head bleeds alot. more so if you are drunk
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post

    And being a student at UVA doesn't give you the right to scream "****ing racists" at cops any more than being a cop gives you the right to beat someone.

    Actually yes, being a student at UVA does give him much more of a right to scream whatever he wants than a cop has the right to beat someone. I'm just defending his freedom of speech though.
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