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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    And no blood test?
    How do we know that wasn't taken and submitted as evidence and simply not released or posted with the other information? We don't know that it wasn't taken and showed he had a BAC.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Within 6 hours of the actual incident. The incident happened at 12:30, not 4 something when the arrest happened. They had to take him to the hospital first.
    Good point. I hoped they kept this belligerent drunk shackled and under guard at the ED, to keep the medical staff safe.....

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They still never got to see his age was wrong. If he was protesting the zip code not being accepted, then why not point out that he was underage if he wasn't trying to use the ID to get into someplace he knew wouldn't let him in underage? This is why there are problems with the explanations given. If you are being carded, using your real ID that you know shows you are underage, wouldn't you wonder why the guy was checking IDs to begin with and not accepting yours based on your zip code rather than your actual age?

    But so long as no one ever mentioned that the ID said he was underage, there is no reason for the LEO to not suspect that the ID said he was of drinking age but fake.


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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    How do we know that wasn't taken and submitted as evidence and simply not released or posted with the other information? We don't know that it wasn't taken and showed he had a BAC.


    because the ABC police would have let that leak or reported that ASAP to save the cops asses, plus if it was taken, and it showed a BAC it would have to be listed.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Yeah, OK, but that night the ABC agents would have "reasonable suspicion" to detain and question half the people on the street that night for breaking some law - either publicly intoxicated or underage drinking. They'd need a big f'ing jail to hold all the actual criminals (drunks, underage drinkers) out that night and on lots of party nights at UVA - thousands of criminals. If that's the kind of policing you want, we can agree to disagree.
    Not necessarily. It is quite possible that many of the underage students simply decided to stay home/on campus and drink there or decided to go somewhere that they knew they could get in. Or perhaps they actually did have a fake ID that said they were of age and they knew the information on the card. Smart people trying to use a fake ID would know the information on the card. And they don't have to take all the kids in that are caught drinking underage. They could simply issue a citation to the kid or the business that they got the alcohol from.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    because the ABC police would have let that leak or reported that ASAP to save the cops asses, plus if it was taken, and it showed a BAC it would have to be listed.
    They don't have to at all. And it could easily be claimed they are trying to persuade the public to view the kid as a thug or something. Look what happened when such a thing was done in Ferguson. Officers/departments are "damned if they do, damned if they don't" in these types of situations.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Often you can get into places underage, they but a wrist band on those of age.
    But not in this place. And they were still checking IDs, but the kid couldn't give his correct zip. This is an indication of a fake ID, hence why the owner was using it. That would also then give the officer a reasonable suspicion that the ID was fake.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Good point. I hoped they kept this belligerent drunk shackled and under guard at the ED, to keep the medical staff safe.....
    Belligerent doesn't mean violent necessarily. But that doesn't mean he wasn't trying to resist arrest.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not necessarily. It is quite possible that many of the underage students simply decided to stay home/on campus and drink there or decided to go somewhere that they knew they could get in. Or perhaps they actually did have a fake ID that said they were of age and they knew the information on the card. Smart people trying to use a fake ID would know the information on the card. And they don't have to take all the kids in that are caught drinking underage. They could simply issue a citation to the kid or the business that they got the alcohol from.
    The point is on a college campus, on a night like that, there are thousands of law breakers. I don't want cops harassing kids for trivial drinking violations. If you think it's appropriate for ABC to stop and question anyone who might be underage and drinking or who might have a fake ID or who might be drunk and then tackle and bloody and arrest and cart to jail anyone who puts up the least pushback, that's fine. I don't agree.

    Pretty simple basic difference of opinion.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They don't have to at all. And it could easily be claimed they are trying to persuade the public to view the kid as a thug or something. Look what happened when such a thing was done in Ferguson. Officers/departments are "damned if they do, damned if they don't" in these types of situations.

    Let me ask you honestly, do you think it possible the ABC cops in this case acted outside the law?
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