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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    again, wrong.

    or suspicious.
    His turning his ID away based on the kid not knowing his zip code does make it suspicious. If he had turned the kid away because his ID said "he is under 21", then it would not have been nearly as suspicious, if it could be at all.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, a private conversation that is still within an officer's hearing is able to be used as "reasonable suspicion".

    And here is the bail statement.

    The Cavalier Daily :: Johnson's warrant of arrest shows two misdemeanor charges

    About the sixth or seventh document scanned. "Bail Set <can't determine the first few letters> $1500.00 when sober"

    And the third one down has this checked: Other: release on an unsecured bond when sober



    So it's the same officers that first claimed he was acting "belligerent" to the bouncer, claiming "release when sober", yet don't check BAC nor charge him with underage intoxication.


    He was arrested at 4:21, he was released at 6:01
    The Cavalier Daily :: University student, Honor Committee member Martese Johnson arrested


    So this "beligerent", "intoxicated" person "sobered" up to be released within an hour and a half?


    **** doesn't happen like that.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    According to the guy it was "moments" before, but that doesn't mean it actually was. There is absolutely no evidence that it was that immediate. Is "moments" seconds or a minute or more? How distracted was the guy? People don't necessarily always judge time correctly especially if they were distracted.
    It's weird you're having to invent discrepancies in the record to argue the agents had reasonable cause. And if it's a minute or two minutes, so what? A person calm and polite and showing no signs of intoxication walks 30 feet up the street and suddenly goes crazy - that's the working theory here?

    Sheesh, the simple alternative is (at a minimum...) the ABC agents BADLY mishandled what should have been a minor encounter (really he shouldn't have been questioned at all...) and a kid breaking no laws ends up tackled, bloodied and arrested, and there is no evidence he posed any threat to anyone including the agents or bystanders.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    A couple of years ago the Va ABC surrounded some college girls in plain clothes and drew guns on them after carrying "what appeared to be a case of beer" whole looking under age, except it was bottled water
    That story was hilarious.

    I just have to post it so we can all laugh again at the stupidity of some people:


    Elizabeth Daly, 20, was arrested on April 11 after she and two classmates bought sparkling water, cookie dough and other supplies for a sorority fundraiser at the Harris Teeter in Barracks Road Shopping Center. ABC agents mistook the sparkling water for beer. Agents drew guns, swarmed Daly's car, and arrested her.

    On the night of April 11, three young women left the Harris Teeter grocery store in Charlottesville’s Barracks Road Shopping Center. A female plainclothes ABC agent, looking for underage alcohol possession, observed the women and suspected they were underage and in possession of beer. The agent and her partner approached the vehicle the women entered, displayed their badges and requested identification. Four additional agents nearby, some of whom had just arrived from working another assignment, responded and surrounded the vehicle. As the events unfolded, one agent landed on the hood of the vehicle, one drew a handgun, and a third struck a window with a flashlight. Fortunately, no one was seriously injured.
    Virginia ABC: Agents Violated Policy in Clash with UVA Students - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA News, Sports and Weather



    All that for some for some supsected "beer"?
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    His turning his ID away based on the kid not knowing his zip code does make it suspicious. If he had turned the kid away because his ID said "he is under 21", then it would not have been nearly as suspicious, if it could be at all.


    Did they over hear that part of the conversation? DId they miss the very cordial conversation and explanation after that?
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    That story was hilarious.

    I just have to post it so we can all laugh again at the stupidity of some people:




    Virginia ABC: Agents Violated Policy in Clash with UVA Students - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA News, Sports and Weather



    All that for some for some supsected "beer"?



    Then thier was that guy in North carolina, arrested and tackled for Iced T....


    These clowns are something else.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So it's the same officers that first claimed he was acting "belligerent" to the bouncer, claiming "release when sober", yet don't check BAC nor charge him with underage intoxication.


    He was arrested at 4:21, he was released at 6:01
    The Cavalier Daily :: University student, Honor Committee member Martese Johnson arrested


    So this "beligerent", "intoxicated" person "sobered" up to be released within an hour and a half?


    **** doesn't happen like that.
    Within 6 hours of the actual incident. The incident happened at 12:30, not 4 something when the arrest happened. They had to take him to the hospital first.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They weren't enforcing the laws on campus or at private residences, but rather in public drinking establishments. And they should be enforcing fake ID laws everywhere they are suspected.
    Yeah, OK, but that night the ABC agents would have "reasonable suspicion" to detain and question half the people on the street that night for breaking some law - either publicly intoxicated or underage drinking. They'd need a big f'ing jail to hold all the actual criminals (drunks, underage drinkers) out that night and on lots of party nights at UVA - thousands of criminals. If that's the kind of policing you want, we can agree to disagree.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Within 6 hours of the actual incident. The incident happened at 12:30, not 4 something when the arrest happened. They had to take him to the hospital first.
    And no blood test?
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Did they over hear that part of the conversation? DId they miss the very cordial conversation and explanation after that?
    They still never got to see his age was wrong. If he was protesting the zip code not being accepted, then why not point out that he was underage if he wasn't trying to use the ID to get into someplace he knew wouldn't let him in underage? This is why there are problems with the explanations given. If you are being carded, using your real ID that you know shows you are underage, wouldn't you wonder why the guy was checking IDs to begin with and not accepting yours based on your zip code rather than your actual age?

    But so long as no one ever mentioned that the ID said he was underage, there is no reason for the LEO to not suspect that the ID said he was of drinking age but fake.
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