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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So a few thoughts:

    The facts are 1.) Martese Johnson was not of age to get into the bar 2.) ABC and Police were correct in pulling him aside after the bouncer rejected his entry. 3.) That Johnson was restrained is not a surprise. 4.) ABC in Va. and especially with U Va. students have had a "heavy handed" method in the past (see the article). 5.) The police did not use a taser or shoot Johnson as has been shown in similar types of arrests around the country. 6.) Johnson is black.

    The country is in quite a tizzy about race - when and if a black person is arrested now, it has a good chance of becoming national news and if they are bloody ("if it bleeds, it leads") the media will jump all over it, giving activists quite a forum and echo chamber to vent their frustrations adding to the anti-police weight. In this particular case, it's unfortunate that Johnson hit his head and required stitches - it's not clear if the police were the cause of that or if during the restraint, he simply slipped or lost balance. There is a difference between the cops slamming his head repeatedly (I'm making this part up) into the concrete vs. Johnson accidentally getting the cut. Does this mean every time a black man is arrested it becomes national news? Should that be the case? In NJ just this past week, a black man with 4 others in a car was pulled over on Rt. 206 and refused to provide the cop his credentials and refuses to exit the car.
    I'm going to need more information.

    But it certainly seems overly forceful to have caused injuries including one needing 10 stitches for "obstruction of justice without force, and public swearing or intoxication".

    Now, if he had fought the police in any way, it would be slightly more understandable, but it seems clear from the charges that he did not...because you know damn well if he did resist forcefully that would totally be in the charges...
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    I belive those two girls were white that were aressted by ABC officals last year over bottled water were white it was reported by the news

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryriena View Post
    ABC has been known too go overboard on arrests, so you think it was alright for him too get beaten for being denind entry for looking young?
    There is no evidence he was "beaten" so that's misinformation. Yes ABC has past issues when they have gone overboard on arrests ... however you must make the case that because they have had past issues that in THIS case, it also was overboard. You have not done so.

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    So much for personal liberty the no unusual pushiment frack the Constitution and the boy rights to due process.
    He is getting due process and will get that due process in court. What he should NOT be getting is a free pass based on fictional accusations of "racism" which did not occur. The facts are the facts as I laid out in the OP. His injury was of his own making unless otherwise proven and that hasn't happened yet.

    Please post the video of the ABC officers "beating" him. It's not in the video nor the OP story which was posted so far.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    How did the injury occur? Was Johnson drunk at the time of arrest? Why did Johnson get belligerent with the ABC officers? When exactly did the injury occur and was Johnson blood alcohol level contribute to the injury? All questions that need to be answered that are not necessarily answered by the video.


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    Frankly I'm tired of hearing justifications for beating the **** out of people, constant race arguments and then having my country slagged...

    Our police don't beat people up for trying to get into a pub, or for words spoken. We may be a third world **** pile in the minds of Americans but we at least live without fear of being beaten up by cops.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'm going to need more information.

    But it certainly seems overly forceful to have caused injuries including one needing 10 stitches for "obstruction of justice without force, and public swearing or intoxication".

    Now, if he had fought the police in any way, it would be slightly more understandable, but it seems clear from the charges that he did not...because you know damn well if he did resist forcefully that would totally be in the charges...
    Agree that more information is needed - but there are already charges of "racism" and "beating" in this very thread where no facts exist of such things. The injury may have occurred due to Johnson's intoxication level and if he fought the police, they may or may not have initially charged him with resisting arrest as the DA can add charges well after initial arrest. I'm sure they are being cautious due to the national publicity and charges of "racism" by Johnson himself.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I really don't give a ****.


    Frankly I'm tired of hearing justifications for beating the **** out of people, constant race arguments and then having my country slagged...

    Our police don't beat people up for trying to get into a pub, or for words spoken. We may be a third world **** pile in the minds of Americans but we at least live without fear of being beaten up by cops.
    There's no evidence of anyone being beaten. A knee jerk reaction saying "I'm sick of hearing justification for beating the **** out of people" isn't fact based but emotional based. There are no facts supporting anyone was beaten. There are no facts that this was racially motivated.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    No evidence of him being beaten So the ten news stations that I have watched say he was are lying. Thanks for the laugh

    AHis friends say it was his real ID not a fake one.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There is no evidence he was "beaten" so that's misinformation. Yes ABC has past issues when they have gone overboard on arrests ... however you must make the case that because they have had past issues that in THIS case, it also was overboard. You have not done so.

    He is getting due process and will get that due process in court. What he should NOT be getting is a free pass based on fictional accusations of "racism" which did not occur. The facts are the facts as I laid out in the OP. His injury was of his own making unless otherwise proven and that hasn't happened yet.

    Please post the video of the ABC officers "beating" him. It's not in the video nor the OP story which was posted so far.
    Every video I've seen is of him already on the ground bleeding, screaming at the cops calling them "****ing racists" and telling them he goes to UVA, while they're pinning him down. He's not bleeding because of that.

    Has anyone posted the video of this beating he got from the cops that caused the bleeding?
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post

    Has anyone posted the video of this beating he got from the cops that caused the bleeding?
    Exactly - I'd be very interested to see the video of the cops beating Johnson.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Agree that more information is needed - but there are already charges of "racism" and "beating" in this very thread where no facts exist of such things. The injury may have occurred due to Johnson's intoxication level and if he fought the police, they may or may not have initially charged him with resisting arrest as the DA can add charges well after initial arrest. I'm sure they are being cautious due to the national publicity and charges of "racism" by Johnson himself.
    It's also true "no facts exist" of the cops behaving appropriately. Somehow a person showing a legitimate ID at a bar ends up with 10 stitches. He's an honor student and on the honor committee. That's not the background of a common thug. They didn't charge him with fighting the police or using any force, which until they DO add charges is evidence his resistance was he talked back to cops while they were doing a BS arrest of at worst a drunk college student on a night when half the people on the streets that night were drunk - 100s, perhaps thousands of drunk students.

    It never ceases to amaze me how the people who claim to distrust the 'state' and the exercise of state power rush to the defense of the police 'state.'

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