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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    What's embarrassing is that a mouthy kid trying to get access to alcohol bumps his head (head wounds bleed profusely) and it's a national story. Really should have only made it as far as the local Pennysaver.
    Don't complain about "stalking" when you're clearly answering my posts without quoting them; don't do so when you don't like the response. This didn't become a national story because a kid "bumped his head" anymore than it Eric Garner became a story because of his asthma. To claim so is absurdly dishonest. It became a story because there are far too many people in this country with the belief that the only way to deal with the population is violence. If someone doesn't comply with every order, then he must be wrestled to the ground. That says more about the adults than it does about the kids.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Don't complain about "stalking" when you're clearly answering my posts without quoting them; don't do so when you don't like the response. This didn't become a national story because a kid "bumped his head" anymore than it Eric Garner became a story because of his asthma. To claim so is absurdly dishonest. It became a story because there are far too many people in this country with the belief that the only way to deal with the population is violence. If someone doesn't comply with every order, then he must be wrestled to the ground. That says more about the adults than it does about the kids.
    It's clear the ABC is overfunded of they're conducting ID checks at bars and looking for teens buying beer at a grocery store.

    I have never heard of a state out west with an agency that's job it is to heck up on that, must be an east coast thing because here if you try to get in with a fake ID you'll just be turned away, and if you get mouthy with the bartender they call the Sheriffs office. Never heard of liquor control doing these things....
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Don't complain about "stalking" when you're clearly answering my posts without quoting them; don't do so when you don't like the response. This didn't become a national story because a kid "bumped his head" anymore than it Eric Garner became a story because of his asthma. To claim so is absurdly dishonest. It became a story because there are far too many people in this country with the belief that the only way to deal with the population is violence. If someone doesn't comply with every order, then he must be wrestled to the ground. That says more about the adults than it does about the kids.
    Give it a rest. I've been participating in this thread all along and I didn't quote your post because I wanted to address the ONE small point alone. As to why it became national news, it was the bloody photo that made it so. The other thousand or so young folks turned away from bars or arrested for trying to get alcohol that night did not receive the same press. Only the mouthy kid who had to be wrestled to the ground got the full-on anti-police cheerleader endorsement. Again, THAT is the true embarrassment here.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    It's clear the ABC is overfunded of they're conducting ID checks at bars and looking for teens buying beer at a grocery store.

    I have never heard of a state out west with an agency that's job it is to heck up on that, must be an east coast thing because here if you try to get in with a fake ID you'll just be turned away, and if you get mouthy with the bartender they call the Sheriffs office. Never heard of liquor control doing these things....
    The East Coast is pretty crazy when it comes to alcohol. However, it depends on the state. Vermont is pretty laid back when it comes to kids drinking. Cops will usually just ignore it as long as there is no trouble. I remember drinking beer back in Cali out in the open and cops just telling us to take it inside. We did, they left. If we were caught outside drinking again, it would result in a fine or our parents being spoken to by the police. That was enough to set most people straight until they could legally drink again. However, this situation escalated to a degree where it certainly didn't need to go. Who is at fault? As stated earlier, I simply don't know. There is too much missing from the video to tell. My instincts as an adult tell me that there is no way that other adults couldn't have spoken to this young man in a manner that he understood that what they were doing was in his best interest.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    It's clear the ABC is overfunded of they're conducting ID checks at bars and looking for teens buying beer at a grocery store.

    I have never heard of a state out west with an agency that's job it is to heck up on that, must be an east coast thing because here if you try to get in with a fake ID you'll just be turned away, and if you get mouthy with the bartender they call the Sheriffs office. Never heard of liquor control doing these things....
    Well ABC does do a lot of undercover operations here. They just have the sheriffs do the arrest portion.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Give it a rest. I've been participating in this thread all along and I didn't quote your post because I wanted to address the ONE small point alone.
    We know, we know, then when your posts are addressed you complain about "stalking".

    As to why it became national news, it was the bloody photo that made it so. The other thousand or so young folks turned away from bars or arrested for trying to get alcohol that night did not receive the same press. Only the mouthy kid who had to be wrestled to the ground got the full-on anti-police cheerleader endorsement. Again, THAT is the true embarrassment here.
    Utter nonsense. He isn't the first person in the US to be shown on TV being wrestle to the ground by law enforcement. He isn't even the first bloody person to be in the news because of an altercation with the police. So the belief that it was his bloody head that did all of this ignores the fact that anyway you look at this, it would have made the news because of the way events proceeded. It made the news because there is a growing understanding that police are too violent with the average civilian.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well ABC does do a lot of undercover operations here. They just have the sheriffs do the arrest portion.
    You ever seen the movie super troopers?

    I think these ABC agents must be like Farva, so deparate to prove to everyone else they're real cops and not just paper pushers.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    You ever seen the movie super troopers?

    I think these ABC agents must be like Farva, so deparate to prove to everyone else they're real cops and not just paper pushers.
    A kid drinking on the day that most of America gets drunk and pretends we care about multiculturalism? Serious violation of zee law. What I think really puts it all into perspective is that the kid wasn't even charged with underaged drinking.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's funny - the owner is the person who carded Johnson and interacted with him. That should carry some weight. And his statement is perfectly consistent with all the other witnesses we've heard from, who all indicated there was no problem at the pub, and no problem as he left the pub. What do you need?

    This owner has to deal with ABC agents nearly daily. What does it help him to undermine the agents if Johnson was drunk, acting like a thug, disorderly? He's causing problems he doesn't need by lying. So the simple assumption is he's recounting what he saw, accurately. Makes no sense for him to do anything else.
    The owner who only checks zip codes rather than actual ages or faces on the ID? He doesn't need to be drunk to be violating underage drinking laws. And bar/pub owners don't like ABC agents since they would almost certainly inhibit some of their business, especially in a college town.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The owner who only checks zip codes rather than actual ages or faces on the ID? He doesn't need to be drunk to be violating underage drinking laws. And bar/pub owners don't like ABC agents since they would almost certainly inhibit some of their business, especially in a college town.
    Seems like you're looking really hard for excuses to blame the kid.

    If the bar owner suspects a fake ID, he's an idiot if he cares what age that ID states. What's the point of checking the age of a suspected fake ID?

    And you're right, he doesn't have to be drunk to violate underage drinking laws. But I assume you've been to college or have been out in a college town on a party night. Half the people walking the streets is publicly intoxicated, and/or guilty of underage drinking. Why target a guy who's been polite, courteous as he's turned away from a bar?

    Finally, right, pub owners don't like ABC agents. So the strategy is to make them look bad by FALSELY claiming the kid they took down and bloodied was an angel at his place? Seems like a good way to get them citing you for every violation possible.

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