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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    He kept asking, "How did this happen?" Well it happened because he is underage and trying to get into a bar.

    His constant "You ****ing racist" comments were not helping. The video doesn't show the take down but in this case, Johnson should be happy he wasn't tazed or shot and that the officers only scuffed him up a bit. To the point I made in the OP though.... every time you see a black person get arrested now, we'll see the "You ****ing racist" epithet used because it makes news and the authorities will be automatically put on their heels as the DoJ and State legislatures as well as the standard NAACP and other organization dog pile on. In this particular case the cops did right and it looks to me, at this point, like it was a perfectly legal restraint of this individual.
    If underage drinking (assuming that is what he was doing) warrants having your head busted against the pavement, what should be the punishment for white collar crimes? We don't need any judges and juries--we just need some God Fearing Police Officers to punish people with thousands in medical bills because the $25 fines are not keeping those people in their places.

    You know some people just like to go to where the other people are without some nefarious intent. How dare a college student in a college town want to go into an Irish themed pub with St. Patty's Day upon us and all....
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Thanks. At least in that I see two cops holding him down and the third one occasionally helping a bit with trying to get the cuffs on. However there still isn't anything to indicate how exactly the guy got his head to bleeding. As is I don't see excessive force.
    I indicated in my original post that it did not show the take down I thought. This was the first tube I found when you asked. The one I originally saw did not have all that commentary. I think it was on the student newspaper website when I saw it, but it is the same video as to the relevant parts. Since the president of the University is quick on this in calling for an investigation, you can bet that this story has some legs to it. College Presidents do not generally go out of their way to defend college kids and seldom so quickly to the point they are picking up the phone and calling the governor before the story was in the MSM.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    He kept asking, "How did this happen?" Well it happened because he is underage and trying to get into a bar.

    His constant "You ****ing racist" comments were not helping. The video doesn't show the take down but in this case, Johnson should be happy he wasn't tazed or shot and that the officers only scuffed him up a bit. To the point I made in the OP though.... every time you see a black person get arrested now, we'll see the "You ****ing racist" epithet used because it makes news and the authorities will be automatically put on their heels as the DoJ and State legislatures as well as the standard NAACP and other organization dog pile on. In this particular case the cops did right and it looks to me, at this point, like it was a perfectly legal restraint of this individual.
    Surely you don't mean that the way it's stated. We don't need to be "happy" when cops don't act like jack booted thugs - that's what we should expect. And 10 stitches is "scuffed him up a bit."???

    And unless we get some video of what happened to cause cuts needing 10 stitches, it's hard to say it was appropriate use of force ("legal" is another matter I suppose).

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    He was not underage, the guy denind him entry because he looked young. He showed his schools Id which stated he was of age to enter said bar. Remember that girl that was aressted over bottled water by the same law enforcement officials.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So a few thoughts:

    The facts are 1.) Martese Johnson was not of age to get into the bar 2.) ABC and Police were correct in pulling him aside after the bouncer rejected his entry. 3.) That Johnson was restrained is not a surprise. 4.) ABC in Va. and especially with U Va. students have had a "heavy handed" method in the past (see the article). 5.) The police did not use a taser or shoot Johnson as has been shown in similar types of arrests around the country. 6.) Johnson is black.

    The country is in quite a tizzy about race - when and if a black person is arrested now, it has a good chance of becoming national news and if they are bloody ("if it bleeds, it leads") the media will jump all over it, giving activists quite a forum and echo chamber to vent their frustrations adding to the anti-police weight. In this particular case, it's unfortunate that Johnson hit his head and required stitches - it's not clear if the police were the cause of that or if during the restraint, he simply slipped or lost balance. There is a difference between the cops slamming his head repeatedly (I'm making this part up) into the concrete vs. Johnson accidentally getting the cut. Does this mean every time a black man is arrested it becomes national news? Should that be the case? In NJ just this past week, a black man with 4 others in a car was pulled over on Rt. 206 and refused to provide the cop his credentials and refuses to exit the car.


    **** racism..

    Ten stitches for TRYING to get into a pub is NOT defensible.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    If underage drinking (assuming that is what he was doing) warrants having your head busted against the pavement, what should be the punishment for white collar crimes?
    It does when the individual resists yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    We don't need any judges and juries--we just need some God Fearing Police Officers to punish people with thousands in medical bills because the $25 fines are not keeping those people in their places.
    Johnson could have paid the fine, stayed calm and all would be well. If he escalates the issue the police have no choice. As I said - Johnson should be happy he wasn't tazed or shot given how police are apparently trained. Johnson lucked out and got cops who actually didn't permanently injure him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    You know some people just like to go to where the other people are without some nefarious intent.
    No one is attributing nefarious intent.
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    How dare a college student in a college town want to go into an Irish themed pub with St. Patty's Day upon us and all....
    Agreed. However, stupid underage college students on one of the biggest drinking days of the college year attempts to get into a bar which is on high alert for underage drinkers AND ABC knowing this, is out in full force making money for the state. Said stupid college student then gets belligerent and gets bloody resisting the $25 fine. Johnson escalated, he got arrested and stitches for his stupidity. A very good teachable moment for him... .of course everyone else hears his "You ****ing racist" comment and dog piles on. How did Forrest Gump state it? Oh yeah... "Stupid is as stupid does."
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Surely you don't mean that the way it's stated. We don't need to be "happy" when cops don't act like jack booted thugs - that's what we should expect. And 10 stitches is "scuffed him up a bit."???
    Actually I do mean it the way it was stated. Every day cops are using their tazers and guns instead of physically restraining people and cuffing them. There are numerous posts on DP where I have stated my opinion that cops today are either poorly trained or poorly execute their duty by shooting first regardless of the situation. Police are not trained well and are too apt to shoot first - in THIS case these police actually did what they were supposed to do which is restrain the person. Yes, Johnson is lucky he wasn't shot and these officers actually were apparently trained well and did not use excessive force, compared to other police stories that show the direct opposite.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    And unless we get some video of what happened to cause cuts needing 10 stitches, it's hard to say it was appropriate use of force ("legal" is another matter I suppose).
    Not really. People who are belligerent sometimes, due to that belligerence resist arrest. Johnson will still be charged. The police in this case will be investigated as they should, but I am sure will be exonerate of any wrong doing. I'd be interested to know if Johnson after he was arrested had a blood alcohol test. He seemed drunk which may explain why he was resisting the police in the first place and may be a contributing factor in his injury.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    ABC has been known too go overboard on arrests, so you think it was alright for him too get beaten for being denind entry for looking young? So much for personal liberty the no unusual pushiment frack the Constitution and the boy rights to due process.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    **** racism..

    Ten stitches for TRYING to get into a pub is NOT defensible.
    How did the injury occur? Was Johnson drunk at the time of arrest? Why did Johnson get belligerent with the ABC officers? When exactly did the injury occur and was Johnson blood alcohol level contribute to the injury? All questions that need to be answered that are not necessarily answered by the video.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If he was white, this wouldn't make the news.
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