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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Right. There is no reason to lie about something that is so easily debunked, and will be debunked soon if what he said was false. Either the breathalyzer showed he was drunk or it didn't, but it will be public knowledge soon enough.



    Not sure what that means. Evidence he used force while resisting arrest is at a bare minimum being charged with using force. That he was NOT charged with threat of violence or force is simply evidence that he did not. This is simple 1+1 = 2 stuff.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    This is not how life works. Ever get a speeding ticket? Ever have the cop reduce the speed you were actually going?
    I'm aware that cops are not forced to allege the maximum charge allowable. But if they write a ticket for doing 65 in a 50, it's not a fair assumption the person was doing 80. The evidence shows the person was doing 65. Maybe some facts emerge that indicate the person was doing 80 but until then the only reasonable conclusion is the person was doing 65, the speed marked on the ticket.

    The police arrested a person and had the choice to indicate with or without threat or force. When they indicated "NO THRT/FORCE" that means something important, that the police don't have evidence to charge/prove Johnson used threats or force.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But the kids have to assume that the encounter is going to end very badly before they throw him to the ground, and anticipate that, and start recording as soon as the cops or ABC agents approach him. The safe assumption is he'll be escorted out, told to go on about his night, but not in that bar. Who would EXPECT that he'd be thrown to the ground, bloodied, and arrested, and they'd NEED video evidence of that? He wasn't even doing anything wrong - he showed a valid ID and was denied entry. The reasonable expectation is that's the end of it.
    Kids at that age don't make videos for evidence, they make videos to make videos. I have quite a few young people in my circle of friends that are around that age and they live for this kind of stuff.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryriena View Post
    I too like to see this beatting, however, from the wounds I would wonder what caused that severe of an injury that looks like a serious head wound from the blood splatter on his head.
    Superficial head woumds DO bleed allot, but that doesn't make them " serious "

    Stiches are superficial by definition and your post are seriously dishonest.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Kids at that age don't make videos for evidence, they make videos to make videos. I have quite a few young people in my circle of friends that are around that age and they live for this kind of stuff.
    Yeah, OK, but that's all beside the point. You're 'betting money' there's a hidden video, then invented a bunch of nefarious reasons why someone unknown is hiding a video that you have conjured up out of thin air.

    You say you know some young people and "they" live for this kind of stuff. So therefore the UVa students involved in this incident are like those young people you know and therefore must have recorded the whole thing. It's a HHHHHHHHHHHUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEE and baseless leap......

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm aware that cops are not forced to allege the maximum charge allowable. But if they write a ticket for doing 65 in a 50, it's not a fair assumption the person was doing 80. The evidence shows the person was doing 65. Maybe some facts emerge that indicate the person was doing 80 but until then the only reasonable conclusion is the person was doing 65, the speed marked on the ticket.
    What?

    They knock it down as a "favor".


    The police arrested a person and had the choice to indicate with or without threat or force. When they indicated "NO THRT/FORCE" that means something important, that the police don't have evidence to charge/prove Johnson used threats or force.
    You don't know how this works.

    perhaps they knew he was a college kid and didn't want to ruin his life over a mistake.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    What?

    They knock it down as a "favor".
    Sometimes, sure. More often they don't. And your point is what?

    You don't know how this works.

    perhaps they knew he was a college kid and didn't want to ruin his life over a mistake.
    You're making baseless speculations. They might have knocked it down, or more likely, the kid did NOT use "THRT/FORCE." That is what the evidence indicates at this point.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well, after being shown that the Honor Code does apply to Johnson both on and off campus, and therefore specifically in this case, you've moved the goal posts. And he has no legal worries - the BS charges will either be dismissed or otherwise go away. They're misdemeanors anyway.

    To what? If he lies, he can be charged with a violation of the Honor Code and expelled from UVa. It's just fact.
    The UVA honor code does not apply to Virginia law. Please show me where in the Virginia Penal Code the UVA honor code is listed. When you don't answer and / or cannot address it, you will then understand why it's irrelevant and has been nor for the past 10 posts I've replied to you. If you continue with the Honor Code nonsense I'll simply delete it and ignore it as I've now said it's irrelevant and it will continue to be irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That paperwork lists the charges.... I'm confused.
    I've noticed.


    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Right, smart people obey authority and don't protest.... like sheep.
    You want to be stupid and resist arrest, that's your right. Please by all means do that and let us all know how it works out for ya.


    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Maybe if you were on the other end of the "FAKE" police abuse, or someone you cared for, you'd have a different view. I'm sure I would. Most people with any self respect would as well.
    I doubt it, as the people I care about don't break the law. If there was actual abuse I'd support and help sue and take those people down. If this happened say to my nephew and not Johnson, I'd probably tell him he was an idiot and to straighten up as well as tell him he was lucky he wasn't shot.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I didn't bring up the "Brown case" but the extensive, 100+ page DOJ report on the practices of the Ferguson PD, which included pretty extensive discussion of them beginning with a BS charge, then laying other BS charges on top of the first BS charge when the person being charged did not behave like obedient sheep. My favorite was the FPD charging a person for property damage for BLEEDING ON THE CLOTHES OF POLICE OFFICERS WHO BEAT HIM, for no reason (they had arrested the wrong man). He prolly should have just saluted them properly, kissed their shiny jack boots, and maybe they'd have not charged him for the damage to their uniforms....
    You brought up Ferguson, I brought up how the accusations of racism and "hands up don't shoot" was based on a lie, just like the accusations of racism by many now are a lie.

    Dig deep enough in any police force and you'll find something someone did wrong.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That's an odd interest, but to each his own I guess.
    An interest in the truth shouldn't be odd...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    An interest in the truth shouldn't be odd...
    That was an attempt at a joke about you being interested in a video of police beating johnson....

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