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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Who's lawyer - HIS lawyer? Of course he would say that.... is there a different source for that like the police who would use the readings and add it to the arrest record?
    It wasn't even his lawyer who said it. It was someone at UVA who said it. Somebody whose title is VP of Diversity or something.

    Maybe it's true and he was sober as a judge. At this point, nobody knows anything. Doesn't stop people from jumping to conclusions though.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not sure what's true, but here's one report: Beating of UVA student prompts call to disempower alcohol officers | Reuters



    So it's a VP at UVa making that claim. He could be mistaken, I don't know - haven't seen any evidence either way.

    it's hearsay, and bad hearsay at that, irresponsible by "VP for diversity".... he has no idea.



    I'm not sure what scenario indicates these cops handled this correctly. It's possible, I guess, but I can't imagine a classroom where the instructor says this is the right way to deal with a student in a college town turned away from a bar because he's underage and MIGHT have a fake ID.
    unless that student became pugilistic and belligerent, and if that's what happened, then this shows thier restraint, not thier abuse.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm not suggesting that all encounters are recorded. I'm also not the one who is relying on the recording which happened after he was already injured as proof that the cops brutalized him.
    I'm not relying on that video either.

    Okay, they "allege". Great. Let's see it. And by the way, it's obvious why I said that. Nobody on here knows what happened. We weren't there. I don't know any more than you know. I'm not the one who is stating what happened there. You are.
    I'm giving opinions like everyone else, including those defending the cops.

    Can you show me where he can get expelled from UVA for lying? Link or something?
    Sure: Governing Documents | University of Virginia Honor Committee

    You'll have to look at the bylaws, but upon a guilty verdict, dismissal is the immediate consequence. Page 28 of the bylaws:

    I. Effect of Guilty Verdicts and “LAGS”
    1. Guilty Verdicts. If a guilty verdict is rendered, the student’s status becomes that of a “dismissed student,” immediately upon the rendering of such verdict, and the Committee will so notify the Registrar. In all cases (including cases in which an Expedited Appeal is filed), the date of dismissal shall be the date on which the guilty verdict was rendered.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Only in bizzaro world - not in the United States court of law. I see you don't know much about the law. It's okay - an easy mistake to make.
    Wrong, there are processes that come into play before it gets to a "court of law". If an investigation concludes that there's enough evidence of wrong doing to get a grand jury to indict on probable cause, a much lower bar than needed in a pellet court to convict, then we could see this in a court of law. I consider the photo evidence of probable cause.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It wasn't even his lawyer who said it. It was someone at UVA who said it. Somebody whose title is VP of Diversity or something.

    Maybe it's true and he was sober as a judge. At this point, nobody knows anything. Doesn't stop people from jumping to conclusions though.
    It could be he was sober - at this point we don't know. I'm going to go search for a public arrest record and see what if anything is available.....
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wrong, there are processes that come into play before it gets to a "court of law". If an investigation concludes that there's enough evidence of wrong doing to get a grand jury to indict on probable cause, a much lower bar than needed in a pellet court to convict, then we could see this in a court of law. I consider the photo evidence of probable cause.
    Did the investigation conclude? And the DA can change the charge or add charges up to and even while the court case is being heard.... depending on the evidence found.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Correct. Because if he was white and subject to police brutality, an investigation would start immediately and not require public outcry to prompt it.
    Bull****. Plain and simple.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    it's hearsay, and bad hearsay at that, irresponsible by "VP for diversity".... he has no idea.
    Why do you assume he has no idea? I'd think a VP at UVa could get something as simple as a breathalyzer test of a student without any trouble at all in a college town. What's 'hearsay' is assuming he was drunk. What is YOUR evidence of that unless you have the results of the breathalyzer?

    unless that student became pugilistic and belligerent, and if that's what happened, then this shows thier restraint, not thier abuse.
    I'd guess if he became "pugilistic" they'd have charged him with that, but they didn't - they noted NO use of force in the arrest documents. So the evidence indicates he didn't use any violence at all. He might have been "belligerent" as I expect you'd be if the cops detained you on some BS charge.

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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Did the investigation conclude? And the DA can change the charge or add charges up to and even while the court case is being heard.... depending on the evidence found.
    No, and yes of course.
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    Re: Students, governor want U.Va. student arrest investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, and yes of course.
    Oh... so I wasn't wrong then....
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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