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Netanyahu poised for 3rd straight term Israel PM after rival concedes[W:350:384]

Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

Man o man ... the Left is taking the Israeli election as bad as they took our own last November.
 
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bubbabgone said:
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Deflection noted. Could you please now answer why you hold Israeli leaders in higher esteem than the office of the President of the United States and explain why it's okay to criticize one but not the other?

Thanks.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
So are you saying being the Israeli PM is a position far more worthy of respect than the office of United States President?
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ahem....

There you go again....

Where in ANY of the discourse over Obama's **** up in this, has anyone even mentioned the "office" of either person?

Get a grip please, the issue is not the perception of the office of any country, but rather truthful comments about the inexperience of of your third-rate anti-Israeli community organizer trying to roll with the big boys and constantly coming out the loser.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
Deflection noted. Could you please now answer why you hold Israeli leaders in higher esteem than the office of the President of the United States and explain why it's okay to criticize one but not the other?

Thanks.
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Sure.
Netanyahu is fighting for the survival of his Country and Obama is trying to fundamentally change his.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
ahem....

There you go again....

Where in ANY of the discourse over Obama's **** up in this, has anyone even mentioned the "office" of either person?
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Right here:

Some of the reaction in this country led by the rhetoric of the current occupant in the WH shows just how anti Israel many in this country are. Israel is the best Ally the U.S. has in the Region and the country closest to being a democracy yet Obama and his Administration continue to show their incompetence as well as true colors.
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According to this poster, it's not okay to criticize Israel, but it is okay to criticize the President.

Get a grip please, the issue is not the perception of the office of any country, but rather truthful comments about the inexperience of of your third-rate anti-Israeli community organizer trying to roll with the big boys and constantly coming out the loser.
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Again, I'll ask.

If criticizing Israel and its leaders makes someone "anti-Israel", does criticizing the President make someone anti-American?

By the way, I think it's hilarious the mental gymnastics some people are doing to justify their hatred of the President of the United States.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Man o man ... the Left is taking the Israeli election as bad as they took our own last November.
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Well, they can't figure out that Herzog and the Labor party was saying the same thing to Iran than Netanyahu was saying.

Which was.....you aint getting the Nuke. Got lost in translation when BO peep smiled and the Cultists Swooned.



But its not just Israel.....its losing their the Ace in the Hole. Hillary.....then they aren't getting their Lynch put in with the DOJ. Plus then Cotton put another mental slap upside BO peeps head.

Its been a very bad two weeks for them and they know more is to come. This is what happens when the Inept are given leadership.

Be careful now B. Some cases say fragile. :lol:
 
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bubbabgone said:
Sure.
Netanyahu is fighting for the survival of his Country and Obama is trying to fundamentally change his.
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So? Ignoring for a moment the useless rhetoric in your post, what does any of that have to do with anything? We can't criticize any leader who is trying to fight for the survival of his country? Does this mean we're not allowed to criticize Syria's Bashar Al-Assad or North Korea's Kim Jong-Un?

I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just trying to understand the parameters here because they aren't making much sense.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
Deflection noted. Could you please now answer why you hold Israeli leaders in higher esteem than the office of the President of the United States and explain why it's okay to criticize one but not the other?

Thanks.
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Unusual comment. You are comparing esteem for a group of leaders with esteem for an office. Offices do not deserve esteem, people who have earned esteem do. I can't speak for the person to whom you responded but I have esteem for Netanyahu and none for Obama. Is it not possible for a particular non American to deserve more esteem than a particular American?
 
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MMC said:
Well, they can't figure out that Herzog and the Labor party was saying the same thing to Iran than Netanyahu was saying.

Which was.....you aint getting the Nuke. Got lost in translation when BO peep smiled and the Cultists Swooned.



But its not just Israel.....its losing their the Ace in the Hole. Hillary.....then they aren't getting their Lynch put in with the DOJ. Plus then Cotton put another mental slap upside BO peeps head.

Its been a very bad two weeks for them and they know more is to come. This is what happens when the Inept are given leadership.

Be careful now B. Some cases say fragile. :lol:
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I'm serious about this ... have you taken a good look at Obama lately?
He doesn't look well at all.
Looks really especially gaunt.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
It's the same thing. I'm just trying to figure out why you hold the position of Israeli PM to be beyond the ability of Americans to criticize, even as you routinely criticize the leader of the United States. Why is it not okay to criticize the leaders of Israel, but it is okay to spew venom towards our own President? Too many people show absolutely no respect for our leader, even as they castigate others for daring to show an ounce of disagreement with Israel's leader.

So why is being the PM of Israel so much better than being the President of the United States? Because, to me, it sounds pretty un-American to show far greater support to a foreign leader than to your own.
Israel receives incredible amounts of financial aid (~$3.15 billion annually) from the United States, with little or no strings attached. They aren't being ignored at all.

So I can only assume the problem is with the criticism of the leaders of Israel. So, once again, why is it not okay to criticize a foreign leader but okay to mock and ridicule our own President?
That doesn't make any sense. Could you, perhaps, try actually reading what I wrote before you respond? Thanks.
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No one has ever said it is not OK to criticize Israel.

It is NOT OK to have a president of the United States wage a dis-information campaign against an ally. It is NOT OK for a president to forward dangerous policies toward an ally. It is not OK to play nice with an ally's sworn enemies and enable them to go nuke. It is not OK for a United States president to mess with the domestic politics of an ally and try to demean him on the world stage.

It is NOT OK for a United States president to throw a childish temper tantrum because Netantyahu accepted an invitation to speak issued by Democrats and Republicans alike, and try to undermine the personal character of a world leader....when that world leader has spoken to congress twice in the past with not even a whimper.

Israel receives aid along with Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and apparently some terrorist groups as well. That aid is voted on by congress. Just because the US tries to buy friends doesn't mean everyone sells out
 
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fmw said:
Unusual comment. You are comparing esteem for a group of leaders with esteem for an office. Offices do not deserve esteem, people who have earned esteem do. I can't speak for the person to whom you responded but I have esteem for Netanyahu and none for Obama. Is it not possible for a particular non American to deserve more esteem than a particular American?
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Yeah, in this case he was talking to me.
The Sly one like to go on these word excursions when he thinks he's stumbled upon some kind of logical conundrum.
 
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fmw said:
Unusual comment. You are comparing esteem for a group of leaders with esteem for an office. Offices do not deserve esteem, people who have earned esteem do. I can't speak for the person to whom you responded but I have esteem for Netanyahu and none for Obama. Is it not possible for a particular non American to deserve more esteem than a particular American?
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Good call FMW.....this way we knock out Philosophy 101 and get back to politics. Do you think it dawns on them concerning party ideologies or even ones own?

I figured they just ignore character traits.
 
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American said:
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Frankly I thought maybe Netanyahu wasn't going to win. But then the average Israeli probably looks at him differently.
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He thought he wasn't too! Which explains why he ditched his commitment to a Palestinian state, warned that the Arabs were coming after him and that foreign governments were engaged in nefarious acts to sabotage and overthrow him. The loss of ethics, the racism, the fear mongering, it all worked. Must be lots of racist, fearful, bigoted Israelis.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
So? Ignoring for a moment the useless rhetoric in your post, what does any of that have to do with anything? We can't criticize any leader who is trying to fight for the survival of his country? Does this mean we're not allowed to criticize Syria's Bashar Al-Assad or North Korea's Kim Jong-Un?

I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just trying to understand the parameters here because they aren't making much sense.
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So then it comes down to your value system and what each person or country is fighting for.
You'll have to examine that for yourself by yourself.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Man o man ... the Left is taking the Israeli election as bad as they took our own last November.
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Because it is yet another defeat for him.

He went international with his temper tantrum, sent junior aids out to attack the character of an ally and made another spectacle for the world to watch, and tried to get Netanyahu booted. and lost

Now, Netanyahu is a "winner" and Obama has been having congress eroded in three straight elections, he is the "loser" in this. On top of that the next in line which they have been pinning their hopes is a falling star.

They fear what's coming, after 2 more years of Obama failing and screwing up, there is little hope Nancy can keep it together.....and they know how ugly they have been.....and pay back is a bitch

As the great BTO song goes. "You ain't seen nothin' yet"
 
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Fearandloathing said:
No one has ever said it is not OK to criticize Israel.

It is NOT OK to have a president of the United States wage a dis-information campaign against an ally. It is NOT OK for a president to forward dangerous policies toward an ally. It is not OK to play nice with an ally's sworn enemies and enable them to go nuke. It is not OK for a United States president to mess with the domestic politics of an ally and try to demean him on the world stage.

It is NOT OK for a United States president to throw a childish temper tantrum because Netantyahu accepted an invitation to speak issued by Democrats and Republicans alike, and try to undermine the personal character of a world leader....when that world leader has spoken to congress twice in the past with not even a whimper.

Israel receives aid along with Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and apparently some terrorist groups as well. That aid is voted on by congress. Just because the US tries to buy friends doesn't mean everyone sells out
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Nope, not okay. And I agree with you that the issue is not the perception of the office of any country but, rather, about truthful observations about an "anti-Israeli community organizer trying to roll with the big boys and constantly coming out the loser."
 
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Montecresto said:
He thought he wasn't too! Which explains why he ditched his commitment to a Palestinian state, warned that the Arabs were coming after him and that foreign governments were engaged in nefarious acts to sabotage and overthrow him. The loss of ethics, the racism, the fear mongering, it all worked. Must be lots of racist, fearful, bigoted Israelis.
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That was thrown in on the end last couple of days. SOP for the process....first he talked about all the European money that was put up against him then other outsides sources. Which he still covered BO peeps ass by not naming the US and their NGO's Actual headed name. With that little bit about "and other sources". So lets not forget that important additional info.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
Right here:


According to this poster, it's not okay to criticize Israel, but it is okay to criticize the President.


Again, I'll ask.

If criticizing Israel and its leaders makes someone "anti-Israel", does criticizing the President make someone anti-American?

By the way, I think it's hilarious the mental gymnastics some people are doing to justify their hatred of the President of the United States.
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Some of the reaction in this country led by the rhetoric of the current occupant in the WH shows just how anti Israel many in this country are. Israel is the best Ally the U.S. has in the Region and the country closest to being a democracy yet Obama and his Administration continue to show their incompetence as well as true colors.
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Where in there is there an attack on the "office" of the president? It says "the current occupant of the White House" NOT the office of the president.

Once again you are trying to make chicken soup out of chicken ****.

And I have no idea where you get the idea that anyone has said it is wrong to criticize another leader, if you had read my post you would see that it is not that simplistic, and your hero has ****ed up again.....

Please have another read so you will know what we're talking about, however I have the impression you don't really want to know
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Because it is yet another defeat for him.

He went international with his temper tantrum, sent junior aids out to attack the character of an ally and made another spectacle for the world to watch, and tried to get Netanyahu booted. and lost

Now, Netanyahu is a "winner" and Obama has been having congress eroded in three straight elections, he is the "loser" in this. On top of that the next in line which they have been pinning their hopes is a falling star.

They fear what's coming, after 2 more years of Obama failing and screwing up, there is little hope Nancy can keep it together.....and they know how ugly they have been.....and pay back is a bitch

As the great BTO song goes. "You ain't seen nothin' yet"
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Particularly ironic is that Obama's failure to work with Netanyahu, as well as his naivete with Iran only helped Netanyahu-Israel's are worried about what they perceive as a lack of US support (imagine how they got that idea) and that uncertainty favors a strong defense.

Liberals still haven't figured out the concept of unintended consequences.
 
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US Conservative said:
Particularly ironic is that Obama's failure to work with Netanyahu, as well as his naivete with Iran only helped Netanyahu-Israel's are worried about what they perceive as a lack of US support (imagine how they got that idea) and that uncertainty favors a strong defense.

Liberals still haven't figured out the concept of unintended consequences.
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I am waiting for tomorrow's release of a local Jewish community newspaper to confirm this, but CBC is running a segment on middle east experts who are saying Obama's handling of all things middle east contributed to Netanyahu's win. They assert that because Obama made such an issue of it, Israeli's began to fear a withdrawal of support from the US, but instead of doing what Obama was trying to coerce them into, they went the other way and voted for security on their own terms. The majority of Israeli's believe they will prevail in another all out war with Arab countries and next time will take them all down.

What I want to see is what Jews are saying about this within their own communities....I doubt it will get democrats any new votes...
 
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US Conservative said:
Particularly ironic is that Obama's failure to work with Netanyahu, as well as his naivete with Iran only helped Netanyahu-Israel's are worried about what they perceive as a lack of US support (imagine how they got that idea) and that uncertainty favors a strong defense.

Liberals still haven't figured out the concept of unintended consequences.
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Mornin USC. :2wave: This morning they said 70% of Israelis don't have a favorable opinion of BO peep.


Oops.....I shouldn't have let that out into the Open, huh? :lol:
 
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Fearandloathing said:
I am waiting for tomorrow's release of a local Jewish community newspaper to confirm this, but CBC is running a segment on middle east experts who are saying Obama's handling of all things middle east contributed to Netanyahu's win. They assert that because Obama made such an issue of it, Israeli's began to fear a withdrawal of support from the US, but instead of doing what Obama was trying to coerce them into, they went the other way and voted for security on their own terms. The majority of Israeli's believe they will prevail in another all out war with Arab countries and next time will take them all down.

What I want to see is what Jews are saying about this within their own communities....I doubt it will get democrats any new votes...
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Looks like the lefts refrain that his speech to Congress would hurt him at home was diametrically opposed to the truth. Imagine that.
 
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MMC said:
Mornin USC. :2wave: This morning they said 70% of Israelis don't have a favorable opinion of BO peep.


Oops.....I shouldn't have let that out into the Open, huh? :lol:
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Mo'nin. I dont blame them one bit. Pissing on our closest allies is what Obama does. The chickens are coming home to roost.
 
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rocket88 said:
You may have noticed that the thread is about Netanyahu, and not Obama. Actually, you apparently didn't notice that, so here's a hint: it was about Netanyahu, not Obama.
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and we are to ignore Obama's attempts to demean him and interfere with Israeli elections why?

FFS if a thread on Obama can be turned into a ****ing prolonged debate about BUSH, why in the **** should not comment on the fact Obama tried to sway this election and LOST. AGAIN.

for the record? This is called "Debate Politics"...and Obama is politics and we are here to debate. If it gets too rough now that the veneer has baked off the rock star, I know an all-Obama site where you can control all that is said about him....
 
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In my opinion, it was this administration that thrust Netanyahu to such a big victory. Just days before the election a story broke about an annual report delivered recently to the US Senate by James Clapper, the director of National Intelligence, removing Iran and Hezbollah from its list of terrorism threats. try selling that one to the Saudi's the Jordanians, the Egyptians, the Yemenis, the Lebanese and the Israelis. The Israeli people certainly don't see it that way. So Netanyahu's message of national security trumped the Union Labor Party who focused on economics. After a report like that coming from this administration, it became obvious those running the show on foreign policy currently in the WH do not have their best interest at heart.

602 days till the next election..........God help us.
 
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