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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I said MORE knowledgeable, not knowledgeable.
    : ) I see...and you are correct...

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And Netanyahu just upped the anti by taking the two state solution off the table. Much of the world views Gaza as a prison camp, the ongoing settlement expansions are illegal, nearly a hundred non binding (only because of continued protection from the US) resolutions have been passed against Israel, and every time Israel gets into a spat with its neighbors, it vastly overreacts and kills a disproportionate amount of civilians, not to mention the destruction of infrastructure, they violate the sovereignty of their neighbors regularly, in the case of Iran, assassinating civilian scientists, a violation of international law, in other cases, bombing runs to destroy nuclear programs because they might become weapons programs. Israeli provocations cause people to not like them.
    Greetings, Montecresto.

    Gaza cannot negotiate any agreement because of their divided government, so that option is off the table, and they have not kept their word in the past anyway, so no one expects them to do so now.

    Israel has been a target of hatred since they were given their worthless bit of land by the UN 60 years ago - they didn't choose it, but accepted what was offered - and they have become an object of envy from their Arab neighbors because of their hard work to make it a decent place to live. The others might try some hard work to do the same for their countries instead of using terrorist bullying to get their way.

    Iran has said they would like to see Israel disappear off the face of the map, and their current goal of having nuclear power to "provide electricity for their country" may be true, but it may also only be a part of the real story. No one trusts Iran, and several Arab countries have now sided with Israel in keeping Iran from going forward with their plans, including Saudi Arabia. Even the UN has stated they are against Iran becoming a nuclear power.

    Israel lives with missiles being fired at them on a regular basis. Yes, they also bomb Iranian underground facilities from time to time to delay them in going nuclear - and I can't fault them for that. Hell, we'd do the same thing, or worse, if it were happening to us, and you know it. They are careful not to harm civilians since they understand it's not their fault their government is nuts! You talk about Israel violating another country's sovereignty - if any country is doing that Iran certainly qualifies every time they fire missiles at Israel to kill civilians and destroy infrastructure!

    I'm trying to be fair in placing blame, but every US President from the time Israel became a State has gone on record publicly stating that Israel is an trusted ally - Democrat as well as Republican - until Obama! Personal feelings should never override statesmanship, but it's happening now. Why? Iran has also stated that we are "the great Satan," and that is a fact. All of a sudden they want to be our friend - on their terms of course - and you don't see that as suspicious? Will we decide to give them a chance to show they can keep their word? No room for a loud "oops" to be said later, though, if we are wrong. My opinion as I see things at the present time.....

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What do you think the Arab nations responsibilities are in regards to Israel? How about changing the Hamas Charter? How about stopping the missiles from being launched into Gaza? Seems like the onus is always on Israel when the Arab states are doing very little to recognize Israel's right to exist.
    Yes, how about Israel stop launching missiles into Gaza and free the prisoners.
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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And Netanyahu just upped the anti by taking the two state solution off the table.
    The two state solution was never a realistic proposition and both sides knew it. The Arabs wanted Israel to surrender territory unconditionally. Israel wasn't going to do that.

    Much of the world views Gaza as a prison camp.
    Then they are idiots. Israel has that land because the Arabs attacked them. The minute Hamas stops attacking Israel is the minute Gaza stops being a "prison camp." But they won't stop, so Israel must defend itself.

    Israel is defending itself. That's what the pinheads mean when they say that Gaza is a "prison camp".

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I don't care who the President is or from what party he comes. I may not agree with what the President does, but he is still our President and our greatest loyalty should always remain with our country and our leaders. Sometimes I think partisan hacks get so caught up in their partisanship, they tend to forget which side they truly are on.
    I'm not a partisan and, if I were, my party would not be the Israeli Likud party. You care confusing positions with people. Presidents are people. It is not the position of president that earns and deserves loyalty. It is the person. I view our president as a true negative for my country, for which I do have loyalty. In my view he has harmed our country in ways that won't be corrected for years if at all. I have no loyalty to him or respect for him. Not even a little.

    l have no loyalty to Israel but it is clear to me that Netanyahu is a strong and competent leader, something we do not have in this country. I'm not loyal to him but he does have my respect.

    I am simply judging people. their offices have nothing at all to do with that judgement.

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So how many years after Jeb becomes President will you be blaming Obama, and how would that be different from liberals blaming W for the last 8?
    It is interesting to see that a die hard defender of all things Obama and Clinton that you have already conceded the next election.

    As to your question? Let's see, Obama's loving sheep are STILL blaming Bush, even this week the White House put out a statement that Obama's war in Iraq was caused by Bush. So I would say, along with lying, fighting with congress, blaming others and so forth, I would say that Obama has set a new standard for low.......

    And knowing American politics I would simply advise get used to it. It will be at least six if not eight long years of hearing "It's Obama's fault"....largely because it's true
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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Montecresto.

    Gaza cannot negotiate any agreement because of their divided government, so that option is off the table, and they have not kept their word in the past anyway, so no one expects them to do so now.

    Israel has been a target of hatred since they were given their worthless bit of land by the UN 60 years ago - they didn't choose it, but accepted what was offered - and they have become an object of envy from their Arab neighbors because of their hard work to make it a decent place to live. The others might try some hard work to do the same for their countries instead of using terrorist bullying to get their way.

    Iran has said they would like to see Israel disappear off the face of the map, and their current goal of having nuclear power to "provide electricity for their country" may be true, but it may also only be a part of the real story. No one trusts Iran, and several Arab countries have now sided with Israel in keeping Iran from going forward with their plans, including Saudi Arabia. Even the UN has stated they are against Iran becoming a nuclear power.

    Israel lives with missiles being fired at them on a regular basis. Yes, they also bomb Iranian underground facilities from time to time to delay them in going nuclear - and I can't fault them for that. Hell, we'd do the same thing, or worse, if it were happening to us, and you know it. They are careful not to harm civilians since they understand it's not their fault their government is nuts! You talk about Israel violating another country's sovereignty - if any country is doing that Iran certainly qualifies every time they fire missiles at Israel to kill civilians and destroy infrastructure!

    I'm trying to be fair in placing blame, but every US President from the time Israel became a State has gone on record publicly stating that Israel is an trusted ally - Democrat as well as Republican - until Obama! Personal feelings should never override statesmanship, but it's happening now. Why? Iran has also stated that we are "the great Satan," and that is a fact. All of a sudden they want to be our friend - on their terms of course - and you don't see that as suspicious? Will we decide to give them a chance to show they can keep their word? No room for a loud "oops" to be said later, though, if we are wrong. My opinion as I see things at the present time.....
    Good morning Polgara. Iran has stated that they would like to see the Israeli regime wiped out. Something the US actually makes a practice of doing. I don't think that you realize how many of us Americans have been waiting for a president to hold Israel accountable, and frankly appreciate Obama's hard line on Israel, despite the fact it doesn't go far enough. But hey, you have to start somewhere. While support for Israel is still insanely high in the US, it's been ever so slowly waning, and I'll take that progress to. Perhaps someday, the US gets out of the business of covering for Israeli crimes and one day we see binding resolutions against them!
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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    No, this is a dodge ...

    And these are newspapers ...
    Hardy har har and thats another .......'evasion'

    Since you won't do it I'll tell you that, in short, it's about having an ally who is surrounded by Countries that want to eliminate it
    ... and those same Countries want to eliminate yours and mine.
    What purpose does this alliance serve other than to turn those very countries against you ?

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Hardy har har and thats another .......'evasion'



    What purpose does this alliance serve other than to turn those very countries against you ?
    Those Countries are already against you.
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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    The two state solution was never a realistic proposition and both sides knew it. The Arabs wanted Israel to surrender territory unconditionally. Israel wasn't going to do that.



    Then they are idiots. Israel has that land because the Arabs attacked them. The minute Hamas stops attacking Israel is the minute Gaza stops being a "prison camp." But they won't stop, so Israel must defend itself.

    Israel is defending itself. That's what the pinheads mean when they say that Gaza is a "prison camp".
    Better get use to it, slowly but surely people are onto Israel. And they're going to have to learn to play nice, or eventually things won't be going well for them.

    American Evangelicals' Support For Israel Is Waning, Reports Say

    American Evangelicals' Support For Israel Is Waning, Reports Say

    ISRAEL AFRAID OF DWINDLING GLOBAL STANDING

    http://gulfnews.com/news/mena/palest...ding-1.1441266

    Parliament's vote underlines Israel's deepening isolation
    The world is no longer shutting its eyes to the Benjamin Netanyahu government's obstructionism and violence

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...isolation.html
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