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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I gave you my thoughts that you asked for.
    Yes, but you never bothered to address the negotiation deal. That's fine. If you don't know, then you don't know. The mere thought of a "right winger" standing up for the nation he leads bothers you. If the person leading Israel was a "left winger" standing up for the nation he leads, that wouldn't. It's all about ideology, then. You know, Golda Meir was the leader of Israel during the Yom Kippur War.

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

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    I think what you have to understand is Israel is just one small country, maybe a little bigger than New Jersey or something and somehow, they got the power of a country the size of America and the only real reasons are for religious and location reasons, something most of our other allies don't share. With that, you have to understand that in order to get the entire region to play nice, you can't just play nice with one country you have to get them all to play nice right?
    You think that radical Islam is going to play "nice" with Israel, ever? Israel has a population of approximately 8 million surrounded by a billion people many of whom live under a charter that calls for their total destruction. Don't know about you, but my support is for a true ally not a bunch of radical nuts who hate Israel more than they love their own kids.

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

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    You think that radical Islam is going to play "nice" with Israel, ever? Israel has a population of approximately 8 million surrounded by a billion people many of whom live under a charter that calls for their total destruction. Don't know about you, but my support is for a true ally not a bunch of radical nuts who hate Israel more than they love their own kids.
    I think you are seriously misinformed. I know quite a few jews and Palestinians personally in the Cincinnati area and while many of them are prejudice towards one another, others seek common ground. What you are suggesting about being surrounded by radicals, is like if I said every single person in Ohio is an asshole. Sure most of them are, but I got a lot of family and friends there too, and a lot of them I can find common ground with. Many people, younger people specifically in Iran for example think more like Americans than you would probably care to know.
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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

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    Yes, but you never bothered to address the negotiation deal. That's fine. If you don't know, then you don't know. The mere thought of a "right winger" standing up for the nation he leads bothers you. If the person leading Israel was a "left winger" standing up for the nation he leads, that wouldn't. It's all about ideology, then. You know, Golda Meir was the leader of Israel during the Yom Kippur War.
    The long dead Meir or Bibi - I really don't care. All I did was provide my two cents as an American who does not want to see us get sucked into something that spirals out of control. Period.
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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I think you are seriously misinformed. I know quite a few jews and Palestinians personally in the Cincinnati area and while many of them are prejudice towards one another, others seek common ground. What you are suggesting about being surrounded by radicals, is like if I said every single person in Ohio is an asshole. Sure most of them are, but I got a lot of family and friends there too, and a lot of them I can find common ground with. Many people, younger people specifically in Iran for example think more like Americans than you would probably care to know.
    So you are comparing the middle east to Ohio? I grew up in Ohio and know that all people aren't assholes, just radical Islamic fundamentalists living in the area with a charter that calls for the destruction of Israel. Does that exist in Ohio?

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The long dead Meir or Bibi - I really don't care. All I did was provide my two cents as an American who does not want to see us get sucked into something that spirals out of control. Period.
    Well, Golda was a "left winger", and she presided over war. So the meme that because Bibi is a "right winger", and that means he's a war monger doesn't hold water, either. BTW, Likud is not the most right wing party in Israel, by any stretch. I do share your sentiment that hostilities in the ME should be reduced. I'm simply concerned about the price of that peace and the likelihood that negotiating a peace now only postpones a more murderous future.

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Well, Golda was a "left winger", and she presided over war. So the meme that because Bibi is a "right winger", and that means he's a war monger doesn't hold water, either. BTW, Likud is not the most right wing party in Israel, by any stretch. I do share your sentiment that hostilities in the ME should be reduced. I'm simply concerned about the price of that peace and the likelihood that negotiating a peace now only postpones a more murderous future.
    You seem to want to argue this when all I am doing is telling you what my fears as an American are - something you asked about.
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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I think what you have to understand is Israel is just one small country, maybe a little bigger than New Jersey or something and somehow, they got the power of a country the size of America and the only real reasons are for religious and location reasons, something most of our other allies don't share. With that, you have to understand that in order to get the entire region to play nice, you can't just play nice with one country you have to get them all to play nice right?
    It should not be the purpose of this nation's foreign policy to be to "play nice" with any other nation. The purpose of the foreign policy of the United States should be to advance the interests of the United States as effectively as possible. One way to do that which has worked well for us before is to promote enlightened, Western political ideals wherever and whenever we can, because people who govern themselves democratically tend to love peace and seek prosperity.

    Israel is a free, prosperous nation with a parliamentary government. It would never have fought with any Arab nation if various alliances of them had not attacked or threatened to attack and destroy it--which they did in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973. Part of the price several of those nations paid was the loss of some of their territories when the fighting stopped and the borders adjusted. No nation has ever been obliged to give up land it gained in the course of defending itself against foreign attack. The defenders shed blood for that land, and giving it back to the aggressors would encourage even more aggression by reducing the price they paid for it.

    Israel has no quarrel with Iran, either--the two nations are many hundreds of miles apart and have no common border or territorial dispute. And yet since the Jew-hating Khomeinists took power in Iran in 1979, they have continually threatened to attack Israel. They have attacked it, too, by murdering Israelis in a number of countries in terrorist attacks. Some of these have occurred in Europe and some even farther away. Twenty years ago, bombings in Argentina that targeted and killed many Jews were almost certainly the work of Iranian agents. Animosity toward Jews is rooted in the Koran itself, and under shari'ah observant Muslims are called upon to war against them. Extreme fundamentalist Muslims believe Jews are guilty of killing certain messengers that Allah sent before Mohammed.
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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

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    Frankly I thought maybe Netanyahu wasn't going to win. But then the average Israeli probably looks at him differently.
    That might be because we were told it was close and Obama sent people to oppose him and bus in opposition voters. It is encouraging that American style campaigning has not ruined leadership in other countries.

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My suspicion - based only on the news and what I read - is that Bibi was a right winger who is not willing to make peace with the Palestinians and other nations and instead holds the hard line. That is my impression. And we as his top ally and military power just might be the one to save his ass should his mouth overload his ability to deliver.

    That is my fear.
    In 2009 Bibi said that he'd support a two state solution if Israel's conditions were met and Israel's security guaranteed. That has been unacceptable to the Arabs, so who is holding a hard line? If not for Arab aggression there would be peace in the region. Hamas has never wavered from their pledge to wipe Israel off the map. They have never really ceased their attacks against Israel. Any concession of territory on the part of Israel is just another step closer to that goal in Hamas' eyes and a surrendering of Israeli security for nothing.

    It has never really mattered how much any Israeli leader has wanted peace. If the price for peace is the destruction of Israel then they have no choice but to fight back.

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