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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Do you claim that people who criticize Israeli leaders are anti-Israel? Because that's the point. If criticizing Israeli leaders means someone is anti-Israel, would it not stand to reason that criticizing our American leader would make one anti-American?
    Sure they have, if not explicitly, then certainly implicitly. The post I quoted earlier is an example, amongst any others.


    So you think it's okay for an ally to use us for personal political purposes? You think it is okay for an ally to disregard accepted protocol? You think it's okay for an ally to interfere with our political affairs? If Obama invited Iranian leaders to America to lecture Congress on the dangers of Israel, would you be okay with that?

    I have this sneaking suspicion your position on this is completely partisan and the only reason you're okay with foreign leaders interfering with domestic disputes is because of your political lean. I find such a thing quite disturbing, as it suggests your allegiance is not with your country, but rather with your political party.
    President Obama is the President. Whether you agree with his policies or not, the office deserves your respect, even if you do not agree with a single thing he says.

    So, in other words...your decision about who should be criticized is not based upon any actual moral code, but rather who aligns with the politics you believe in. Which, as I just said to another poster, is quite disturbing because it suggests your allegiance is not with the United States, but rather your political party.


    To be clear to both you and FIL, I do not mind legitimate criticism of any President or any governmental leader. We have a right to express our displeasure with our government. And, most importantly, expressing displeasure with our government leaders does not make one un-American. But, on the flip side, expressing displeasure with the actions of an ally, does not mean we are against said ally. Anyone can criticize Israel and its government, and to say they cannot is absurd. But, even more importantly, claiming one is anti-ally because of said criticism is nothing more than childish partisanship and there is no use for it in reasonable and mature discussion.
    This post is full of irony. Chalk full.

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    So you are still insisting Israel needs the US to fight Arabs?

    Yeah, that I could see......

    I guess being a political consultant and "chief of staff" taught you all that
    The subject of Israel and Arabic nations never came up in my job. Perhaps that is because foreign policy is not the province of the Michigan legislature.
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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I believe he is referring to YOUR reference that you don't want your children fighting Israel's wars. He has already pointed out that only Israelis fight Israel's wars, so maybe that will give you an idea of exactly what he's referring to. Just trying to help because you obviously need some.
    Right now and in the past - yes. But all that could change and you darn well know it.
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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    no doubt.. but "hes not a partisan " ....

    he still has not said a word but written a book..and the only thing I glean is that "anyone who supports Bibi is anti american since they support him and dont not support him ...and they have taken shots at Obama so how dare they"..

    this is lib "nuancing" 101...


    ...and denial....don't forget "I never said that..."

    It's about wining arguments, not debate. Image over substance, make claims then deny you made them, all very subtly.

    The soft underbelly of the anti-Israel camp in the US has always disgusted me. As much as I hate racists, at least I know a KKK member is going to hate Israel, not claim impartiality while supporting a president whose policies will lead to the nation's destruction. My God, do any of you know the implications of moving back to 1967's borders in today's missile happy world? They were barely able to stop the tanks then.

    No, with Obama as with most of his recklessness, he has exposed the ugly underbelly of anti-semitism in America.
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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Right now and in the past - yes. But all that could change and you darn well know it.
    Everything can change, but if we're looking at precedent - since that's all we have - then your point is moot. Now tell me exactly why Obama is negotiating with Iran over nuclear development.

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by fearandloathing View Post
    ...and denial....don't forget "i never said that..."

    it's about wining arguments, not debate. Image over substance, make claims then deny you made them, all very subtly.

    The soft underbelly of the anti-israel camp in the us has always disgusted me. As much as i hate racists, at least i know a kkk member is going to hate israel, not claim impartiality while supporting a president whose policies will lead to the nation's destruction. My god, do any of you know the implications of moving back to 1967's borders in today's missile happy world? They were barely able to stop the tanks then.

    No, with obama as with most of his recklessness, he has exposed the ugly underbelly of anti-semitism in america.
    spot on!!!!!

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Everything can change, but if we're looking at precedent - since that's all we have - then your point is moot. Now tell me exactly why Obama is negotiating with Iran over nuclear development.
    No my point is relevant as the USA has gotten involved in the affairs of other nations before costing blood and treasure .
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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Everything can change, but if we're looking at precedent - since that's all we have - then your point is moot. Now tell me exactly why Obama is negotiating with Iran over nuclear development.
    This would be my negotaitions with Iran

    President Travis- " If you build one more reactor we will destroy them...If we sense you are enriching within 24 hours they will be a burning piles of rubble..I suggets you work to have yoru scantions lifted and enter into the modern world of legit countries".


    that would get there attention.. btu Obama is faciltiang them getting nukes and they have them already.. this whole thing was abotu TIME and Obama allowed that time period to hit critical mass.. Iran has won..Obama has lost..

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No my point is relevant as the USA has gotten involved in the affairs of other nations before costing blood and treasure .
    and America has saved millions of lives,,, more then any other country in history...

    I sense Israel woudl save more if the would would let Isreal unleash morality in the region...Israel woudl ahve destroyed ISIS in 3 days..

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    Re: Netanyahu poised for third straight term as Israel PM after chief rival concedes

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No my point is relevant as the USA has gotten involved in the affairs of other nations before costing blood and treasure .
    No it isn't. We aren't talking about generic nations. We're talking about one specific nation - Israel. Show me one time where the US has invested blood in the defense of Israel. And while you're at it, answer the question I asked you about the reason for Obama's negotiation with Iran, which you ignored.

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