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White House office to delete its FOIA regulations[W:84]

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I'm guessing Putin and the Kremlin are worse than Obama when it comes to transparency. That's not saying much but Obama isn't the worst in the world so that's a positive.

"...like the archiving of e-mails."

The modern day version of WH tape recordings.... gotta get rid of that stuff before someone starts poking around or some federal judge wants to get in the spotlight. I just wish Obama and crew could be a little, I don't know, more subtle about it. It sure is funny to watch though.
 
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Ockham said:
I'm guessing Putin and the Kremlin are worse than Obama when it comes to transparency. That's not saying much but Obama isn't the worst in the world so that's a positive.

"...like the archiving of e-mails."

The modern day version of WH tape recordings.... gotta get rid of that stuff before someone starts poking around or some federal judge wants to get in the spotlight. I just wish Obama and crew could be a little, I don't know, more subtle about it. It sure is funny to watch though.
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Is there a culture that doesn't want to know?

When I was in Poland during the Soviet era one of the battles the "free" side was having was that after nearly a half century of totalitarian government a large segment of the population feared opening up the books or anything.

I was taken by the re-action to Snowden. Here, he would have been protected from prosecution by whistle blower laws, and the prevailing opinion in Canada is that he is a hero. However in the states, it seems to me a majority see him as treasonous, making me wonder if Americans really want to know..
 
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Fenton said:
So his claim that his was going to be the " MOST TRANSPARENT ADMINISTRATION EVER " was just one of his many, many, many lies.

Hmmm....why do leftist like being lied too ?
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Considering his is now the least transparent. It would appear so. I doubt that there's any leftists here that enjoy being lied to. But not unlike republicans, their party loyalty trumps truth and justice!
 
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Montecresto said:
Considering his is now the least transparent. It would appear so. I doubt that there's any leftists here that enjoy being lied to. But not unlike republicans, their party loyalty trumps truth and justice!
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I wouldn't know

I base my ideology in truth and can see through lies from Politicians pretty quickly.

It would appear, the Democrats have raised the bar with this administration on both lies and corruption.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Is there a culture that doesn't want to know?

When I was in Poland during the Soviet era one of the battles the "free" side was having was that after nearly a half century of totalitarian government a large segment of the population feared opening up the books or anything.

I was taken by the re-action to Snowden. Here, he would have been protected from prosecution by whistle blower laws, and the prevailing opinion in Canada is that he is a hero. However in the states, it seems to me a majority see him as treasonous, making me wonder if Americans really want to know..
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Fair point - to me I don't like HOW Snowden did what he did but I'm very glad he did it. It's the only transparency of what is going on in our government that was a lie or a varnished, PC load of BS.
 
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Montecresto said:
Considering his is now the least transparent. It would appear so. I doubt that there's any leftists here that enjoy being lied to. But not unlike republicans, their party loyalty trumps truth and justice!
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Is that why leftist websites are so uncivil and sneering, cause truth and justice require it?
 
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maxparrish said:
Is that why leftist websites are so uncivil and sneering, cause truth and justice require it?
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Oh for crying out loud, they're all uncivil and sneering.
 
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Fenton said:
I wouldn't know

I base my ideology in truth and can see through lies from Politicians pretty quickly.

It would appear, the Democrats have raised the bar with this administration on both lies and corruption.
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I've noticed your 20/20 vision when spotting a democratic politician lying, your quite talented at that. I think your sight is a bit compromised when it comes to spotting a lying republican.
 
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“While there is always more work to be done, our record demonstrates this Administration’s commitment to transparency is second to none,” the White House said.*
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Most delusional administration in history.
 
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Montecresto said:
The bolded is deceptive and out of context. This practice, says your link, began during the Bush administration. Blame the court if you don't like this
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Based on his comments in the OP, it doesn't appear that he dislikes the practice itself, but rather the hypocrisy of Obama running in 2008 in part on the notion of planning to be an extremely transparent administration and routinely attacking his predecessor for a lack of transparency. Said attack on the hypocrisy is not countered by going "Bush did it too".

If I convince a girl that her last boyfriend was bad because he cheated on her and that I won't do that in order to get her to date me....and then I cheat on her...a response of "Well yeah, but your last boyfriend cheated on you too!" isn't really an excuse.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Based on his comments in the OP, it doesn't appear that he dislikes the practice itself, but rather the hypocrisy of Obama running in 2008 in part on the notion of planning to be an extremely transparent administration and routinely attacking his predecessor for a lack of transparency. Said attack on the hypocrisy is not countered by going "Bush did it too".

If I convince a girl that her last boyfriend was bad because he cheated on her and that I won't do that in order to get her to date me....and then I cheat on her...a response of "Well yeah, but your last boyfriend cheated on you too!" isn't really an excuse.
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You'll get no disagreement from me on Obama's false advertising in 2008 regarding transparency. I've been hugely critical of it. There's another thing he promised. Improved protections for whistleblowers. In fact, he's prosecuted more of them than his predecessors.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Based on his comments in the OP, it doesn't appear that he dislikes the practice itself, but rather the hypocrisy of Obama running in 2008 in part on the notion of planning to be an extremely transparent administration and routinely attacking his predecessor for a lack of transparency. Said attack on the hypocrisy is not countered by going "Bush did it too".

If I convince a girl that her last boyfriend was bad because he cheated on her and that I won't do that in order to get her to date me....and then I cheat on her...a response of "Well yeah, but your last boyfriend cheated on you too!" isn't really an excuse.
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That's fine, and I agree with that. But quoting the article out of context is no way to put that across, especially in a way that completely removes the previous administration from the equation altogether.
 
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Kobie said:
That's fine, and I agree with that. But quoting the article out of context is no way to put that across, especially in a way that completely removes the previous administration from the equation altogether.
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Hi Kobie.

Shouldn't we be judging administrations on their own merits instead of looking back to see how we can justify wrongs?
 
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j-mac said:
Hi Kobie.

Shouldn't we be judging administrations on their own merits instead of looking back to see how we can justify wrongs?
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Well, I haven't tried to justify any wrongs by anyone, so bark up another tree.

You really don't think quoting out of context to demonize one administration and leaving out the previous one, who did the SAME THING, is a little disingenuous?
 
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Kobie said:
Well, I haven't tried to justify any wrongs by anyone, so bark up another tree.

You really don't think quoting out of context to demonize one administration and leaving out the previous one, who did the SAME THING, is a little disingenuous?
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Kobie, it illustrates Obama's hypocrisy-its ok when he does it-just not when others do it.

I dont understand why you are the first to defend him.
 
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Yeah, it's pretty plain to see that this is the Most Open And Transparent Administration--not!
Still you would think that somebody in the MOATA would see the irony of doing this
during National Freedom of Information Day and Sunshine Week!

Hey, how about this little gem from March 2011 ?
Obama finally accepts his transparency award... behind closed doors

You can't make this stuff up!
 
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Montecresto said:
The bolded is deceptive and out of context. This practice, says your link, began during the Bush administration. Blame the court if you don't like this.

In 2009, a federal appeals court in Washington ruled that the Office of Administration was not subject to the FOIA, "because it performs only operational and administrative tasks in support of the president and his staff and therefore, under our precedent, lacks substantial independent authority."
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It doesn't matter what happened during Bush, because Obama made the claim he was going to be better than Bush or anyone else for that matter. He lied.
 
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Kobie said:
While this lack of transparency is troublesome, you quoted the article terribly out of context.
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And again, for a group of people who voted for Obama as the not-Bush it is funny to see you all take turns excusing Obama's actions because Bush did them as well.

So this is George Bush's 4th term. We get it.
 
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US Conservative said:
Kobie, it illustrates Obama's hypocrisy-its ok when he does it-just not when others do it.

I dont understand why you are the first to defend him.
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Do you know how to read? Please quote the post where I said it was OK for him to do it.

You're lying. Again.
 
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jmotivator said:
And again, for a group of people who voted for Obama as the not-Bush it is funny to see you all take turns excusing Obama's actions because Bush did them as well.

So this is George Bush's 4th term. We get it.
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Apparently you can't read either. Please quote the post where I defended or excused this action.

You're lying too. Apparently, when the liberals don't say what you want them to say, you just lie and say they did, and then attack that.

Oh, and by the way, you totally ignored the thrust of my post, which was that he quoted that article out of context. Which he did. That's not "excusing" anything. Learn to read.
 
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Kobie said:
Apparently you can't read either. Please quote the post where I defended or excused this action.

You're lying too. Apparently, when the liberals don't say what you want them to say, you just lie and say they did, and then attack that.

Oh, and by the way, you totally ignored the thrust of my post, which was that he quoted that article out of context. Which he did. That's not "excusing" anything. Learn to read.
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Hah, keep pushing that lie Kobie.

To your credit, your motivations for pushing the "B-b-but BUSH!" argument are far more transparent than the Obama administration.
 
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jmotivator said:
Hah, keep pushing that lie Kobie.

To your credit, your motivations for pushing the "B-b-but BUSH!" argument are far more transparent than the Obama administration.
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True dat.

He always prefaces his defense of Dear Leader by saying he's not an Obama fan...
 
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US Conservative said:
Kobie, it illustrates Obama's hypocrisy-its ok when he does it-just not when others do it.

I dont understand why you are the first to defend him.
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What?? There's no defense offered up for Obama. It would have been better had FOIA regulations remained in place. Think the next GOP president will replace them, hmm?

– Issa Tried To Kill A Landmark Expansion Of FOIA Law: In 2007, a bipartisan bill HR 1309 was proposed to expand the FOIA process, including a tracking system for submitters to view the status of their request, new reporting requirements for congressional oversight, and a provision to ensure that requests not processed within twenty days would not require a fee. The Bush administration fought vigorously against the bill. Issa even sponsored an amendment to the bill to kill off the proposed “open records policy,” claiming Al Qaeda would “harvest” the data. In the end, the bill passed by an overwhelming majority in the House, despite Issa’s “no” vote. Unfortunately, it died in the Senate.
 
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