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    Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions - The Washington Post

    BARRINGTON, N.H. - Sen. Ted Cruz said Sunday that eliminating limits on how much money voters can give politicians would give people a greater say in the political process.


    The Texas Republican, in New Hampshire courting grassroots support ahead of an expected presidential run, equated the flow of money to the First Amendment right to free speech: It is something that allows voices to be heard and candidates to be supported.


    I believe in free speech and the First Amendment, which means everyone here has a right to speak out in politics as effectively as possible," Cruz said. "To speak out and make your views known, whether that is standing on a street corner on a soap box, whether that is printing out a yard sign, whether that is spending money to run a radio ad or a TV ad, effectively communicating."
    I thoroughly support this proposal, as it would eliminate the last of my demonstrably false idea that the non-rich have any voice in our government.

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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    *Further on in the article:
    Conservatives of all economic stripes, from the rich to those subsisting on food stamps, rejoiced at the news that the wealthy would have greater power and influence than they currently enjoy

    *Not actually in the article.

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    *Later in the article:

    One citizen noted, "Is it really wise to give what is essentially absolute power and influence to business interests that have so often been shown to be counter to the well-being of the poor?" He immediately added "Never mind, I guess," after being accused of using "class warfare rhetoric" by numerous conservative talk show pundits.


    *I made that up too.

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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    This is going to be a mess of a subject, but it all comes down to agreeing with an association. That association being that freedom of speech means being able to spend what you wish on that speech. Even if it results in political output, or even a redress of grievances by engaging in the political process in that manner.

    While I tend to agree I see a clear consequence of the association means the OP is also right, the more money you have to spend on the process means more influence. My own opinion for or against a candidate may not be swayed by the ads I see (presumption being the more money in, the more out on ads for and attack ads against) I cannot speak for every voter out there. Nor can anyone else. Further, I would offer that we have mixed results on the average voter being moved towards a candidate based on spending for the campaign. We also cannot dismiss the other back end result of some being able to spend more on a candidate's campaign than the average income earner. Once in office, all that donation is bound to come with a vote for something that money wanted. Which makes a political theory become very realized. That modern politics, for both (D) and (R,) comes down to a vote in exchange for the promise of less contribution to the treasury in taxes, more in spending in some regard, or some terrible combination of the two resulting in deficits and debt additions no matter what the condition of the economy.

    It is going to be painfully difficult to find a Democrat or Republican today that truly wants to even the playing field among voters and their money. Democrats can say they do, but in the end they want to really target the Koch brothers but ignore Soros and Steyer. Democrats may say they are against pools of cash coming in from pools of the public but seem to be very excited to speak to and take money from unions. At the same time Republicans have made it clear the more money the better, as Ted Cruz eludes to. It sounds good to give the association of speech to money but I suspect the real reason is current trend.

    For the 2014 election cycle among the over 200 groups that wrote checks of $100,000 or more to a political organization of some distinction, Democrats had a 3-to-1 cash advantage throughout the cycle. Any review of opensecrets.org and indexed on top 50 donors to the election cycle will see interesting results for liberals. For individual, 3 of the top 5 (including the #1 and #2 donors) gave to liberals over conservatives. Steyer, Bloomberg, and Eychaner (Newsweb.) For organization, 8 of the top 10, donated to liberals over conservatives. Fahr LLC (Steyer,) ActBlue, National Education Association, Bloomberg Lp, NextGen Climate Action, and the Service Employees International Union round out the top 6, all liberal leaning. For the 501c groups that is another matter and tend to lean conservative over liberal. You add in all the ways and means the Koch brothers get money into politics and I find it dubious today's political climate is really about campaign contributions. It all comes down to who's campaign contributions.

    Seems to be the only real answer is overwhelming campaign finance reform, 501(c) code reform, and hard limits putting every single voter on the same level. It is against my own political leans but we clearly have a real problem with today's set up. Especially since the last election saw some $3.7 billion in money flying around. But, every time we think about reforms it will run up against those on the bench who clearly see the association of freedom of speech and the cash to spend on it. Meaning, money still wins no matter how it is pooled then funneled into the process.
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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    We have a system corrupted by money, so, by all means, let's take away any and all controls over how much money may be used/donated.

    The best hope we have is technology. As more people use a DVR to skip commercials, TV ads declaring one's opponent to be Satan incarnate will have less influence. As more people use the internet, television will have less and less influence.

    Money still talks, but it doesn't have quite as loud of a voice as it once did.
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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions - The Washington Post



    I thoroughly support this proposal, as it would eliminate the last of my demonstrably false idea that the non-rich have any voice in our government.
    A very good point!!
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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    If more money means more speech, wouldn't equal money mean equal speech?

    Seems to me if we had low limits on donations, then everyone could have equal speech. I wonder if Ted Cruz supports equality...

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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    If more money means more speech, wouldn't equal money mean equal speech?

    Seems to me if we had low limits on donations, then everyone could have equal speech. I wonder if Ted Cruz supports equality...
    Assuming equal money means equal speech, he might, which is like begging the question.
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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Assuming equal money means equal speech, he might
    Seems unlikely, as he seems to favor unequal money, which means unequal speech.

    which is like begging the question.
    Not really.

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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    If more money means more speech, wouldn't equal money mean equal speech?

    Seems to me if we had low limits on donations, then everyone could have equal speech. I wonder if Ted Cruz supports equality...
    Only way to do that is to ban political speech. If you don't, someone will need to arbitrarily put a dollar value on Person X's voice vs Person Y's voice.

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