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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Except you have to have some browser and computer (and perhaps smartphone now also) knowledge to block ads on the internet. It's actually harder to avoid ads on the internet than on a recorded show, or muting a live show. I do really well on the PC for blocking ads, but it's work and it's constantly allowing, using a site, and then disallowing upon leaving and so on. But on my smartphone, they are on every game I play with others, and on some that are strictly on my phone with no need for internet to play, and no internet to nearby, still somehow they've embedded some ads right into the damned phone.
    Good point. Avoiding ads is all but impossible.

    Voters can use the internet to find out about the candidates, but then, will they?
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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I only quoted you
    You quoted me and then posted lies about what I actually said. The dishonesty was rampant throughout your responses. Like I said, if you'd like to honestly discuss what I was saying, rather than continue to post lies about what I'm saying, I'll be happy to discuss it.

    Let me know.

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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I'm stating that time and voice is, essentially, equal amongst everyone. Money is not.[/B].
    Not true in the slightest. Take money out of campaigns all you want, in the end, whoever has the biggest voice is heard more.

    If I paint the side of my $10,000 shack overlooking a highway with "Vote Samhain", my voice is heard more than the millionare's fancy, custom-printed yard sign in front of his gated $1M mansion.

    Neither one was done with a campaign contribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Not true in the slightest.
    Of course it is. We all have 24 hours in a day. We all have roughly the same volume to our voices. Those things are already equal. What's not equal is the multi-millionaire "lobbying" his legislator with $500,000 and me only being able to "lobby" with $1000.

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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    You quoted me and then posted lies about what I actually said.
    It is not my fault if you are incapable of realizing that words have meaning. If you wish to amend your stance to say that you did not intend to state what you did, that's fine, we can go from there. You attempted that, I pointed out the problems with your amended stance, and you went right back to complaining about language.

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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It is not my fault if you are incapable of realizing that words have meaning.
    Of course they do. Which is why I find your dishonest attempt to distort the meaning of my words to be not worthy of my time.

    If you wish to amend your stance
    Why would I amend my stance, when my stance isn't the problem? If you would like to amend your responses and instead address what I actually said (rather than the straw mans you built), we can go from there.

    The ball is in your court. If you wish to honestly debate what I have said all along, let me know.

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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Of course it is. We all have 24 hours in a day. We all have roughly the same volume to our voices. Those things are already equal. What's not equal is the multi-millionaire "lobbying" his legislator with $500,000 and me only being able to "lobby" with $1000.
    You can keep ignoring it, but it won't stop being true as I've already shown. We do not all have the same volume to our voice, nor is it roughly the same.

    The only way you can "make things equal", which is your constant theme, is to ban verbal and non-verbal political speech.

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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    You can keep ignoring it
    I haven't ignored anything.
    but it won't stop being true as I've already shown. We do not all have the same volume to our voice, nor is it roughly the same.
    I'm referring to our physical voice, not a voice amplified by money.

    The only way you can "make things equal", which is your constant theme, is to ban verbal and non-verbal political speech.
    Your falling into the same trap cpwill did, though I don't think you're doing it purposefully. It's not about "making everything exactly 100% alike". Obviously such a situation can never occur. But what it IS about is making the playing field as equal as possible.

    Campaign contributions are, without a doubt, one of the most visible and most influential ways to "encourage" a legislator to vote your way. You painting a shed by a highway might convince people to vote for the person you like, but it's not nearly as likely to convince a legislator to work for the outcome you find desirable. A $10,000 sign and $10,000 in a legislator's pocket (which is essentially what happens to said contributions) are two completely different things.

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    Re: Ted Cruz renews call for unlimited campaign contributions

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Of course they do. Which is why I find your dishonest attempt to distort the meaning of my words to be not worthy of my time.

    Let's focus on two:

    Here you stated:

    Quote Originally Posted by SlyFox
    If more money means more speech, wouldn't equal money mean equal speech?...

    unequal money, which means unequal speech
    This is logically coherent. If Money (M) = Speech (S), then Unequal M = Unequal S

    Yet then you state that unequal money doesn't mean unequal speech if there is an arbitrary cap on it.

    Suddenly Unequal M =/= Unequal S. A=B and B=C but A=/=C?


    Either Money equals Speech, meaning that unequal money means unequal speech, or it does not.


    Here you stated:

    Quote Originally Posted by SlyFox
    Having the right and not exercising it doesn't remove the fact you have the right.
    Bravo, just so. I have the right to spend millions of dollars on speech if I wish to. The existence of the right is independent of the exercise of it.

    Yet then you state that people are currently denied the opportunity to spend money on speech because they don't spend millions, while others do. That is argument is dependent upon the notion that the Existence of the right IS dependent on the Exercise of it.


    Either Rights exist independent of their Exercise, or they do not. Given that rights are fundamentally negative in nature (a right to free speech, for example, means generally that you may not be hindered by anyone else).


    Why would I amend my stance, when my stance isn't the problem? If you would like to amend your responses and instead address what I actually said (rather than the straw mans you built), we can go from there.

    The ball is in your court. If you wish to honestly debate what I have said all along, let me know.
    Ironic, coming from the man who refuses to even fully quote the individual he is responding to, much less actually respond to him.

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