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Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother[W:52]

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I hope they take all of her estate to warn others of the dangers of unsecured guns. There needs to be consequences if there is to be responsibility. Anything less is a sham.


(CNN)Families of children killed at the mass shooting andy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut have filed lawsuits against the estate of the shooter's mother, saying Nancy Lanza was careless and negligent in leaving a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle unsecured in her home.

Adam Lanza, 20, used the assault rifle to kill 20 first-grade students and six adults in Newtown on December 14, 2012.

The younger Lanza was mentally unstable and used his mother's Bushmaster to kill her before he went on the rampage at the school, and then killed himself.

At least eight lawsuits have been filed in Connecticut courts since January on behalf of relatives of 16 people killed in the massacre -- four adults and 12 children. Court documents also list two people who suffered serious injuries.

Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother - CNN.com
 
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There needs to be consequences if there is to be responsibility. Anything less is a sham.

Well, she did die.
 
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I hope they take all of her estate to warn others of the dangers of unsecured guns. There needs to be consequences if there is to be responsibility. Anything less is a sham.

So an insurance company might have to pay out to them instead of somebody else and the company's policy holders will pay the cost. Quite the payday for the lawyers.
 
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I hope they take all of her estate to warn others of the dangers of unsecured guns. There needs to be consequences if there is to be responsibility. Anything less is a sham.


Idiocy. And all these ambulance chasing lawyers are taking full advantage of these families grief.

As BrewerBob noted, the mother DID die. I'd call that a pretty hefty consequence wouldn't you iguanaman?

Also according to friends of the mother the guns were kept locked up in the basement. Unsecure? HAH!

A friend of Nancy Lanza, who had done contracting work for her, was last in the home eight months ago and remembers seeing a lock box in the basement where Lanza kept her guns.

CNN ~ Shooter's mother wanted her son to fit in, friend says

These lawyers are going to have to prove that the guns were left out of that lockbox. GL on that.
 
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I can't understand in the least what these families have gone through.

That being said, I also see no reasonable theory as to what suing Mrs. Lanza's estate will accomplish.

Other than to make the lawyers richer.

I don't understand this course of action at all.
 
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So I take it that Connecticut is NOT one of those states where a Republican legislature has basically passed some laws providing special legal immunities and protections for gun companies and sellers so they cannot be sued as other companies may be sued?
 
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So I take it that Connecticut is NOT one of those states where a Republican legislature has basically passed some laws providing special legal immunities and protections for gun companies and sellers so they cannot be sued as other companies may be sued?

If a guy buys a Chevy Suburban, and then plows it through a crowd of people on a city corner killing a dozen or more people in the process, should the families of the deceased be able to sue Chevrolet????
 
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I hope they take all of her estate to warn others of the dangers of unsecured guns. There needs to be consequences if there is to be responsibility. Anything less is a sham.



Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother - CNN.com

What legal principle can be applied to leaving a rifle accessible To a legal adult who was not prohibited from owning a gun?

This is a sham case IMO I don't see how they can prove the elements of negligence, considering there is some evidence the guns were locked. I am suprised there still is an estate this late in the game ....
 
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So I take it that Connecticut is NOT one of those states where a Republican legislature has basically passed some laws providing special legal immunities and protections for gun companies and sellers so they cannot be sued as other companies may be sued?

Protection from frivolous lawsuits and crooked lawyers is a good thing.

It is all about the money.
 
Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

I can't understand in the least what these families have gone through.

That being said, I also see no reasonable theory as to what suing Mrs. Lanza's estate will accomplish.

Other than to make the lawyers richer.

I don't understand this course of action at all.

Money.
 
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3 years on, these people are in the "how can I profit from my child's death?" stage of grief. :roll: Arseholes.
 
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3 years on, these people are in the "how can I profit from my child's death?" stage of grief. :roll: Arseholes.

I'm sure the ambulance-chasers have persuaded them that they are somehow honoring their deceased children's memories and somehow protecting other children.
 
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So I take it that Connecticut is NOT one of those states where a Republican legislature has basically passed some laws providing special legal immunities and protections for gun companies and sellers so they cannot be sued as other companies may be sued?

This country needs massive tort reform, the type where you sue and lose you pay the court costs to those you sue. The type where damages are capped to reasonable levels and where lawsuits like this get tossed on principle.
 
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She paid with her life but that does not seem to be enough for those that see fairness as sharing her estate with themselves and their lawyers. Few would be of similar mind if a "deranged" criminal (related or not) had stolen their gun, chainsaw or car and then used it to kill other folks.
 
Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

I can't understand in the least what these families have gone through.

That being said, I also see no reasonable theory as to what suing Mrs. Lanza's estate will accomplish.

Other than to make the lawyers richer.

I don't understand this course of action at all.

From the cynical perspective, this course of action attempts to corroborate that the SH story is true and accurate.

If it turns out that Wolfgang Halbit's law suit sees the light of day, things will change mightily. If it turns out that those photos were actually staged, and that the school had not been in service for years, there will be lots of 'splainin to do. :shock:
 
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I hope they take all of her estate to warn others of the dangers of unsecured guns. There needs to be consequences if there is to be responsibility. Anything less is a sham.
I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that you oppose this same sort 'warning' when it comes to capital punishment. THAT somehow isn't a deterrent but a lawsuit is...
 
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If a guy buys a Chevy Suburban, and then plows it through a crowd of people on a city corner killing a dozen or more people in the process, should the families of the deceased be able to sue Chevrolet????

That would depend on if the car was used for the purpose it was manufactured for.
 
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This country needs massive tort reform, the type where you sue and lose you pay the court costs to those you sue. The type where damages are capped to reasonable levels and where lawsuits like this get tossed on principle.

On which "principle" would that be?
 
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Protection from frivolous lawsuits and crooked lawyers is a good thing.

It is all about the money.

We live in the USA. What else would you expect other than a concern about money? That is a very important part of our culture.
 
Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

This country needs massive tort reform, the type where you sue and lose you pay the court costs to those you sue. The type where damages are capped to reasonable levels and where lawsuits like this get tossed on principle.

There would be some very serious unintended consequences to loser pays. Primarily people with legitimate grievances who could not afford to pay if they lost would be very reluctant to bring their cases about.

Lawyers essentially act as a brake on unwinnable suits because they usually work on contingency and won't take a case that they don't see a chance of winning. That of course has downsides as well, for the most part in the area of class action suits, but there is no perfect solution.

What we obviously really need to do is change our mindset. Just because something had happens it doesn't mean someone is automatically liable. It's hard to see how a manufacturer should be liable for the misuse or illegal use of their product. Maybe as a first step the we need to reform law to get the "deep pockets" out of the picture in cases where there isn't a product defect.
 
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We live in the USA. What else would you expect other than a concern about money? That is a very important part of our culture.

Not when it is driven by greed.
 
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Not when it is driven by greed.

That also is a very important part of our culture.

But I suspect the motivation behind these lawsuits is not merely the desire for money but a desire to reach out and hit the companies behind gun proliferation causing them some economic penalty and harm. So I suspect this goes beyond the mere desire for money in ones pocket.
 
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