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Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother[W:52]

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TurtleDude said:
I am a 24 year veteran of federal law enforcement who took out a mugger with a handgun. Far more relevant.
I also teach civilians-both private and law enforcement personnel how to survive shooting incidents. More importantly, I am a United States Citizen who took two oaths to uphold our constitution
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Ever think certain parts of your 18th century constitution might be out of date and require revision in order to be relevant to the 21st ? The guys that drafted it were slave owners after all
 
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flogger said:
Ever think certain parts of your 18th century constitution might be out of date and require revision in order to be relevant to the 21st ? The guys that drafted it were slave owners after all
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that has zero relevance to the citizenry being well armed. that is timeless. and if you hate slavery, why do you want government to have a monopoly on firepower?
 
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TurtleDude said:
that has zero relevance to the citizenry being well armed. that is timeless.
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Of course it has relevance. There was no concept of what a modern urban society would be like back then much less whether its citizenry would still need to be armed or not
 
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flogger said:
Of course it has relevance. There was no concept of what a modern urban society would be like back then much less whether its citizenry would still need to be armed or not
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as long as government has arms, so should the people
 
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Lursa said:
This point has been made time and again, in this thread and others. Including by me in the last couple of pages.

So you are lying to pretend you dont know why we're making the comparison.

That's all ya got left? Flat out lies?
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I was hoping against hope that you could actually come up with a reason why you use the comparison that truly makes sense. You see - I have not seen one so far.

Got one?
 
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TurtleDude said:
1) stop shouting
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The bold tool is provided by the Board.

The increase in size tool is provided by the Board.

I will use the tools provided by the Board for my use as I see fit and within the rules.

2) gun banners will never say what law is one too many or what infringement is one too much

3) the only dishonesty comes from the gun banners who pretend their goal is less crime
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You just did it yet again.

What is the point of anyone posting here if your attitude is YOU ARE LYING IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.

It is your all purpose phony ace up your sleeve card that pretends to permit you to discount anything anyone actually says and merely use it as springboard #1,278 or so in going off on a rant and screaming about "gun banners" and "their real desires.

How can any site have intelligent discussion between people with different views if you approach things from that dishonest perspective?
 
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haymarket said:
I was hoping against hope that you could actually come up with a reason why you use the comparison that truly makes sense. You see - I have not seen one so far.

Got one?
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you have claimed that the sole or at worst, main purpose, of a firearm is to kill

cars are not designed to kill

yet cars are used to kill far more people in the USA than firearms

and yet gun banners worry about firearms

seems like a disconnect from reality if public safety is the issue
 
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haymarket said:
The bold tool is provided by the Board.

The increase in size tool is provided by the Board.

I will use the tools provided by the Board for my use as I see fit and within the rules.



You just did it yet again.

What is the point of anyone posting here if your attitude is YOU ARE LYING IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.

It is your all purpose phony ace up your sleeve card that pretends to permit you to discount anything anyone actually says and merely use it as springboard #1,278 or so in going off on a rant and screaming about "gun banners" and "their real desires.

How can any site have intelligent discussion between people with different views if you approach things from that dishonest perspective?
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dishonesty is dishonesty. My position doesn't change or modify that.

Gun banners are reticent about telling us their ultimate goals

gun advocates have no need to be dishonest-we want our rights not infringed

anti freedom advocates cannot honestly tell us their motivations since those real motivations are rejected by many Americans
 
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flogger said:
Maybe you could try your sarcasm out on the victims families of the next high school massacre (which is never long delayed Stateside) I'm sure they will appreciate it :roll:
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I'm sure the families of the victims of gun shootings who you know appreciate your concern over their feelings. You do know some, right? I know one.

Now, do plan to become a US citizen so you can vote on representatives to go to DC and make your dreams of gun banning come true, or do you just plan to share your opinions on how we run our country on message boards?
 
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TurtleDude said:
you have claimed that the sole or at worst, main purpose, of a firearm is to kill
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I stated that was the purpose of the invention of the firearm. And you agreed that it was.

cars are not designed to kill
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Cars have nothing to do with this and any attempt to dishonestly compare cars to guns is the worst sort of intellectual fraud.

yet cars are used to kill far more people in the USA than firearms
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see the previous statement.

and yet gun banners worry about firearms

seems like a disconnect from reality if public safety is the issue
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Why is being concerned about gun deaths not a matter of public safety?
 
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TurtleDude said:
dishonesty is dishonesty. My position doesn't change or modify that.

Gun banners are reticent about telling us their ultimate goals

gun advocates have no need to be dishonest-we want our rights not infringed

anti freedom advocates cannot honestly tell us their motivations since those real motivations are rejected by many Americans
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You just did it yet again. You cannot even stop yourself from doing it again and again when you are discussing the very dishonest thing you do.

What is the point of anyone posting here if your attitude is YOU ARE LYING IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME.

It is your all purpose phony ace up your sleeve card that pretends to permit you to discount anything anyone actually says and merely use it as springboard #1,280 or so in going off on a rant and screaming about "gun banners" and "their real desires.

How can any site have intelligent discussion between people with different views if you approach things from that dishonest perspective?
 
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TurtleDude said:
as long as government has arms, so should the people
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You couldn't make this up ! But hey enjoy going up against your own democratically elected government and the largest military in the world that (lets remember) you've paid for to protect you. I'm sure you and your extremist revolutionaries will last all of five minutes !

:lamo
 
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haymarket said:
I stated that was the purpose of the invention of the firearm. And you agreed that it was.



Cars have nothing to do with this and any attempt to dishonestly compare cars to guns is the worst sort of intellectual fraud.



see the previous statement.



Why is being concerned about gun deaths not a matter of public safety?
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concern is one thing, trying to strip innocents of their rights for the dishonest claim that such action will increase public safety is pernicious
 
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flogger said:
You couldn't make this up ! But hey enjoy going up against your own democratically elected government and the largest military in the world that (lets remember) you've paid for to protect you. I'm sure you and your extremist revolutionaries will last all of five minutes !

:lamo
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you are ignorant of what this means. no army is going to win on home turf against 100 million citizens. and no politician who sets the army in action is going to survive more than a couple days in a land where many want him dead
 
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TurtleDude said:
you are ignorant of what this means. no army is going to win on home turf against 100 million citizens. and no politician who sets the army in action is going to survive more than a couple days in a land where many want him dead
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You have elections every four years so in what kind of crackbrained alternate universe scenario do you envisage this ever happening ? :lol:
 
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flogger said:
You have elections every four years so in what kind of crackbrained alternate universe scenario do you envisage this ever happening ? :lol:
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I don't because we are a well armed society. its a vaccine against tyranny.
 
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TurtleDude said:
I don't because we are a well armed society. its a vaccine against tyranny.
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Your rabidly extremist mindset is the best possible advertisment I could ever have for my position and why nobody like you should be allowed near a gun.

Thanks for providing such an illuminating example :peace
 
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TurtleDude said:
concern is one thing, trying to strip innocents of their rights for the dishonest claim that such action will increase public safety is pernicious
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And you and I both are very well aware that what you see as a right is not what others see as a right. And we both know there lies the problem.

And I suspect you also know darn well that has not a thing to do with DISHONESTY but you simply use the term for political effect as it affords you the chance to NOT have to talk about the real issues and you can stay safe and content with battling your own familiar strawman.
 
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flogger said:
Your rabidly extremist mindset is the best possible advertisment I could ever have for my position and why nobody like you should be allowed near a gun.

Thanks for providing such an illuminating example :peace
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Allow me one little word in here Flogger. I like much of what you say. But the one thing I would like to add here is that Turtle seems like a very responsible gun owner. He trains. He practices. He teaches others about gun safety and usage. If what he says here is true, he takes the steps to keep his guns safe.

Yes, I disagree with him on the political issues with guns. But to say he should not be allowed near a gun I think is really not a fair evaluation of him.

I would prefer that he not be allowed near a computer keyboard. ;):mrgreen:
 
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haymarket said:
Allow me one little word in here Flogger. I like much of what you say. But the one thing I would like to add here is that Turtle seems like a very responsible gun owner. He trains. He practices. He teaches others about gun safety and usage. If what he says here is true, he takes the steps to keep his guns safe.

Yes, I disagree with him on the political issues with guns. But to say he should not be allowed near a gun I think is really not a fair evaluation of him.

I would prefer that he not be allowed near a computer keyboard. ;):mrgreen:
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I find the display such 'armed' political extremism in what is supposed to be the worlds leading democracy disturbing. If he was alone in his beliefs he could be dismissed as just another lone crackpot, but given the evidence on such threads as this he is far from being so. I think its something your society needs to address given the arsenals such people want to have and how easily they dismiss the consequences for society of so many others wanting to have them too. I suspect there are many Sandy Hooks lie ahead for the US and the incomprehensible tragedy is that nobody cares and nothing will change when they do :(
 
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flogger said:
I find the display such 'armed' political extremism in what is supposed to be the worlds leading democracy disturbing. If he was alone in his beliefs he could be dismissed as just another lone crackpot, but given the evidence on such threads as this he is far from being so. I think its something your society needs to address given the arsenals such people want to have and how easily they dismiss the consequences for society of so many others wanting to have them too. I suspect there are many Sandy Hooks lie ahead for the US and the incomprehensible tragedy is that nobody cares and nothing will change when they do :(
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Please DO NOT judge America and out people by the extremism you see voiced here in carefully controlled gun threads designed to make it look like the extremists are the majority. That is part of the tactic and apparently its working.

Let us all hope there are not any more Sandy Hook type events in store. I am convinced that even if we had one a month - there would have to be at least two years worth before anything was actually done about it. Gun politics is that strong here.

But lets all hope we never find out if that is what it takes.
 
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flogger said:
You have elections every four years so in what kind of crackbrained alternate universe scenario do you envisage this ever happening ? :lol:
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It is not going to happen. The far right wing in this country deludes itself into believing that they can have an extremists revolution and the police and military will join them. Not going to happen. The rest of the nation will stand by as the far right crazies are dealt with and brought to heel like mad dogs.

Do NOT be fooled by such macho bragging as its all show and no go.
 
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flogger said:
You have elections every four years so in what kind of crackbrained alternate universe scenario do you envisage this ever happening ? :lol:
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It is not going to happen. The far right wing in this country deludes itself into believing that they can have an extremists revolution and the police and military will join them. Not going to happen. The rest of the nation will stand by as the far right crazies are dealt with and brought to heel like mad dogs.

Do NOT be fooled by such macho bragging as its all show and no go.
 
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haymarket said:
It is not going to happen. The far right wing in this country deludes itself into believing that they can have an extremists revolution and the police and military will join them. Not going to happen. The rest of the nation will stand by as the far right crazies are dealt with and brought to heel like mad dogs.

Do NOT be fooled by such macho bragging as its all show and no go.
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How exactly will they be "dealt with" haymarket... do tell! :popcorn2:
 
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