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Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother[W:52]

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flogger said:
Well given that sort of response you get the society you deserve as is reflected in your murder stats, nearly three quarters of which involve a firearm. But hey ,so what as long as your hobby is protected :roll:
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Apparently that works both ways since the violent crime rate in England is MUCH higher than it is in the US.
 
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haymarket said:
Firearms were created to kill people and other living things.
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Firearms do not have self awareness. They are inanimate objects. Murder or killing is the intent of whomever uses them for that purpose. Many simply do target shooting. Others buy them for home defense and go their entire lifetimes never killing anyone. Blame the person, not the object. People have been murdered with knives, hammers, rocks, fists, and even fertilizer.
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
Apparently that works both ways since the violent crime rate in England is MUCH higher than it is in the US.
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No, it really isn't. The difference is the definition of a crime of violence. In the UK a violent crime has a much, much wider definition than in the US. It includes virtually all crimes against the person.
 
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haymarket said:
Why did you stop there? Lets finish that thought for you..........Firearms were designed to project a bullet at people or other targets.
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So what is your problem? I have been a gun owner most of my adult life, yet I have never pointed one at another human being, much less shot anyone. I have killed an occasional duck, quail, or pheasant, but then someone kills the poultry and beef you likely eat.
 
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Andalublue said:
No, it really isn't. The difference is the definition of a crime of violence. In the UK a violent crime has a much, much wider definition than in the US. It includes virtually all crimes against the person.
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The stats I've seen show that overall violent crime is much higher in all of Europe than in the US. How those stats are determined I do not know but every source I have seen uses the same(or very similar) statistics.
 
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flogger said:
The difference between an accidental death by car and an intentional (and hence avoidable) one by firearm is one gun advocates desperately try to blur in order to keep their lethal hobby safe from the legislators :(
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In the US, there is another hobby more dangerous. It's called driving an automobile. It has resulted in more American deaths then by guns.
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
Apparently that works both ways since the violent crime rate in England is MUCH higher than it is in the US.
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Thanks to your guns your murder rate is five times ours and theres no way to directly compare other crimes due to different methodologies in collation
 
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ObamacareFail said:
In the US, there is another hobby more dangerous. It's called driving an automobile. It has resulted in more American deaths then by guns.
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How many people are murdered by car ?
 
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Andalublue said:
I thought it was a pretty tasteless, whiny claim.
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you are right-the lawsuits are whiny claims
 
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ludin said:
please go sue a car manufacture for someone mowing down a bunch of people.
or a hammer manufacture for people getting hit with hammers
or a knife manufacture etc ...

guess what you can't sue them either.
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None of those products are made for the purpose of killing. Even a knife has many other uses other than a weapon.
 
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haymarket said:
I have absolutely no idea on earth what you mean by that or what it has to do with the reality that firearms were made as a weapon. Can you provide more explanation to what you are talking about?
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why are you asking such a question. most of the things people shoot with guns are not alive, so killing is not the major purpose of civilian owned firearms
 
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ObamacareFail said:
So what is your problem? I have been a gun owner most of my adult life, yet I have never pointed one at another human being, much less shot anyone. I have killed an occasional duck, quail, or pheasant, but then someone kills the poultry and beef you likely eat.
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So what? How does that excuse special protection laws for the gun industry?
 
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TurtleDude said:
why are you asking such a question. most of the things people shoot with guns are not alive, so killing is not the major purpose of civilian owned firearms
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What are you talking about?
 
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haymarket said:
So what? How does that excuse special protection laws for the gun industry?
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that was a good law. scumbag anti gun mayors and their intellectually depraved attorneys would sue gun makers for crime caused by scumbags who illegally used guns. Gun makers were being sued to put them out of business by rich cities. The law was proper and we need to make the mayors and their asshole attorneys compensate the gun makers for such bogus lawsuits
 
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haymarket said:
So what? How does that excuse special protection laws for the gun industry?
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if the anti gun lobby didn't try to bankrupt the gun industry with baseless nuisance suits there would be no protection nessecary.
 
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haymarket said:
Silly claim!?!?!?!? So then you tell us why firearms were invented.
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that's dishonest question to lump them all together., some firearms were invented to hunt animals, some for military purposes and many for target shooting. that's like saying what are clubs invented for-some to whack fur seals, some to kill rival cro-magnons, some to hit golf balls, some to hit Croquet balls
 
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flogger said:
Guns make self defense against criminals far too easy
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there, fixed it for you
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
there, fixed it for you
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gun haters are often criminal sympathizers. They feel it is unjust for a victim to kill a criminal because the criminal has been forced into a life of crime by an unfair society. that is why most gun haters are collectivists. They see criminals as a byproduct of an unjust society.
 
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TurtleDude said:
that was a good law. scumbag anti gun mayors and their intellectually depraved attorneys would sue gun makers for crime caused by scumbags who illegally used guns. Gun makers were being sued to put them out of business by rich cities. The law was proper and we need to make the mayors and their asshole attorneys compensate the gun makers for such bogus lawsuits
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Q; Why does the gun industry deserve special protection over and above what other businesses and industries get?
A: from any honest person - Political payoffs to the gun lobby.
 
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TurtleDude said:
that's dishonest question to lump them all together., some firearms were invented to hunt animals, some for military purposes and many for target shooting. that's like saying what are clubs invented for-some to whack fur seals, some to kill rival cro-magnons, some to hit golf balls, some to hit Croquet balls
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Its not LIKE saying anything. Firearms were invented to shoot a projectile to harm or kill other living things.

If your side will not man up and admit that - its useless to even discuss it with such blatant denial.
 
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haymarket said:
None of those products are made for the purpose of killing. Even a knife has many other uses other than a weapon.
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you again are wrong. some knives are made to cut fabric, some to cut paper, some to cut meat and some are military killing knives.
 
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haymarket said:
Its not LIKE saying anything. Firearms were invented to shoot a projectile to harm or kill other living things.

If your side will not man up and admit that - its useless to even discuss it with such blatant denial.
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the first ones yes. but that is back in the ages you claim are not relevant just as you claim what the founders believed in is not relevant. many guns made today are for target shooting
 
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