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Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother[W:52]

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cpwill said:
Nothing, it's an ad hominem mixed with a whattaboutism.
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No kidding - I was afraid there was some internet-based mind-altering drug I was missing.....

The blue snake's train leaves at midnight - pass it on.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064425983 said:
So you don't know what Chevy Suburbans were made for?
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for driving. Did you have some doubt about that?

Just like the guns you want to compare it to. They are made for shooting.
 
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haymarket said:
That would depend on if the car was used for the purpose it was manufactured for.
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Totally nonresponsive answer to the question.
 
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haymarket said:
for driving. Did you have some doubt about that?

Just like the guns you want to compare it to. They are made for shooting.
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So you painted yourself in a corner again.
 
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American said:
Totally nonresponsive answer to the question.
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SOP, of course.

Surely you are not surprised.
 
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American said:
So you painted yourself in a corner again.
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That would require the ability to operate a brush.
 
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SMTA said:
SOP, of course.

Surely you are not surprised.
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He screwed up against by getting involved in the thread and making an inane statement. Now he'll spend the rest of his time here playing dodge.
 
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American said:
He screwed up against by getting involved in the thread and making an inane statement. Now he'll spend the rest of his time here playing dodge.
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Bwaahaahaahaa! To wit;

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Atiya said:
Too bad she was murdered by her unstable son.
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Maybe people with Autism should be banned.



What was this woman thinking to house so many guns in her home? Why did she feel the need to be so surrounded? Guess it's too late to find out now.
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Maybe she liked guns. I like ukuleles, so I have a lot of them. I like to be surrounded by ukuleles.
 
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Beats me how someone could lose a small child to an act of madness then turn around and take legal action. Maybe grief is surpassed by greed. How much MONEY does it take to ease the life long sorrow?
 
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Excon said:
If there was a law requiring such you may have a point.

Otherwise no.
No such responsibility exists.


A gun is a tool.
Just as a pencil is.
So if he had gotten a hold of her pencil and stabbed people in the neck and they died, should she be sued because she didn't better secure her pencil?
A hammer? A screw driver?
A butcher knife?

The concept is abhorrent.
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This is unreasonable. A gun is a specific kind of tool - a weapon - and by design it is meant to kill. A hammer can be used to kill but that is not its design difference.

Would you leave a loaded firearm on your kitchen table and invite a bunch of complete strangers in? How about a pencil? They are different and must be treated differently.
 
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Gaius46 said:
This is unreasonable. A gun is a specific kind of tool - a weapon - and by design it is meant to kill. A hammer can be used to kill but that is not its design difference.

Would you leave a loaded firearm on your kitchen table and invite a bunch of complete strangers in? How about a pencil? They are different and must be treated differently.
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Not at all.

Yes, there are loaded guns laying around the house, as there are pencils.

There is a loaded .357 right next to this laptop.

No strangers are allowed in for any reason.
 
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Gaius46 said:
This is unreasonable. A gun is a specific kind of tool - a weapon - and by design it is meant to kill. A hammer can be used to kill but that is not its design difference.

Would you leave a loaded firearm on your kitchen table and invite a bunch of complete strangers in? How about a pencil? They are different and must be treated differently.
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No it isn't unreasonable.
Trying to sue his mothers estate is unreasonable.
She is not responsible for his actions. He is.
It doesn't matter one bit if her guns were out. He took what wasn't his to take. He stole from her. That is on him, not her.


To take this even further to it's absurd conclusion ...
[sarcasm]Hell her estate should be sued for bringing him into the world in the first place. But not for that, this would never had happened.[/sarcasm]
 
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Summerwind said:
I've always said the problem with conservatives is that they think the world revolves around simple math as you present here. Truth is, the world revolves around complex algebra with many variables. A gun is not the same as pencils. Taking an unsecured gun from a parent, is not stealing in the same way that stealing is usually considered, and so on. Simple math might make y'all feel better about your ignorance of reality, but it's still ignorance of reality nonetheless.
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Yea, it's theft, and it is illegal.

Try again.
 
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spud_meister said:
Maybe people with Autism should be banned.
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No, mentally challenged individuals should not be banned; however, the people around them should be more cautious. Why would an intelligent mother leave guns within the reach of a young insecure son? Now I realize not all people with Aspergers Syndrome which is what Adam Lanza had, are violent, and most are decent and sometimes unusually bright, above average even, still, I think it was wrong of the mother to be surrounded by such weapons, especially a weapon that can kill so many in one shooting without reloading
 
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haymarket said:
So I take it that Connecticut is NOT one of those states where a Republican legislature has basically passed some laws providing special legal immunities and protections for gun companies and sellers so they cannot be sued as other companies may be sued?
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We have not. CT is one of the leading manufacturers of firearms. After Sandy Hook, new legislation banned some of the companies from selling the guns they manufacture in CT to CT.

CT is an incredibly Blue_State.
 
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rhinefire said:
Beats me how someone could lose a small child to an act of madness then turn around and take legal action. Maybe grief is surpassed by greed. How much MONEY does it take to ease the life long sorrow?
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Maybe no small children actually died that day?
 
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SMTA said:
Not at all.

Yes, there are loaded guns laying around the house, as there are pencils.

There is a loaded .357 right next to this laptop.

No strangers are allowed in for any reason.
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The question again is if you were to allow strangers into your home would you leave loaded weapons laying about for an unknown quantity to potentially grab and use? Would you have the same of pencils?

Simply put if you treat the loaded firearm different from a pencil in that situation you are implicitly agreeing that different standards of care apply to the two. And that different standard is a legitimate basis for a civil suit.
 
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Excon said:
No it isn't unreasonable.
Trying to sue his mothers estate is unreasonable.
She is not responsible for his actions. He is.
It doesn't matter one bit if her guns were out. He took what wasn't his to take. He stole from her. That is on him, not her.


To take this even further to it's absurd conclusion ...
[sarcasm]Hell her estate should be sued for bringing him into the world in the first place. But not for that, this would never had happened.[/sarcasm]
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No one said she's responsible for his actions. She is responsible for hers. She is responsible to exercise reasonable care with regard to the security of her firearms.

If she knew her kid was violent or had mental problems there is a legitimate case to be made that she should've secured her firearms in a way that did not give him access, assuming she didn't. If she didn't then maybe she's liable for her actions, maybe she isn't. It is a reasonable question to ask.
 
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Gaius46 said:
The question again is if you were to allow strangers into your home would you leave loaded weapons laying about for an unknown quantity to potentially grab and use? Would you have the same of pencils?

Simply put if you treat the loaded firearm different from a pencil in that situation you are implicitly agreeing that different standards of care apply to the two. And that different standard is a legitimate basis for a civil suit.
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You seem to have a reading comprehension problem.

No strangers, ever, in my house.

Anyone who believes that the two require different levels of care is a moron.

Anyone who treats a gun, or any tool, without due respect is a moron.

There is no issue with civil suits in this equation.
 
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Gaius46 said:
No one said she's responsible for his actions. She is responsible for hers. She is responsible to exercise reasonable care with regard to the security of her firearms.

If she knew her kid was violent or had mental problems there is a legitimate case to be made that she should've secured her firearms in a way that did not give him access, assuming she didn't. If she didn't then maybe she's liable for her actions, maybe she isn't. It is a reasonable question to ask.
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Please provide the law that says that.
And I obviously knew what you were indicating as I provided you the "but for" argument.

And no, her estate is being held responsible for his wrongful actions. It is wrong.
 
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Dragonfly said:
I can't understand in the least what these families have gone through.

That being said, I also see no reasonable theory as to what suing Mrs. Lanza's estate will accomplish.

Other than to make the lawyers richer.

I don't understand this course of action at all.
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I guess those in the gun-owner-hater crowd think that this lawsuit will “send a message” to those who value the right to keep and bear arms. Pretty much the same way a certain other group in the past used to set crosses on fire in people's yards to “send a message.” I bet it's almost exactly the same mentality, even if the methods differ.
 
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