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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Very nice! The debate equivalent of 'I know you are but what am I?" How...1st grade of you. Did someone have to help you type that too?
    Your comments were juvenile and nothing more than a deflectio from having to form a logical argument against what I stated. As such they applied to you far more than they applied to me. I can not help if you do not understand that.


    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Look...if you are the parent or guardian of a child, especially one that you know is very clearly demonstrating violent and aggressive tendencies, then you have an obligation to take reasonable steps to secure both the childs safety and that of those around him.
    Only if the law requires such.
    And make no mistake their are some laws that require such.



    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Leaving a weapon which can reasonably be expected to be used to harm large numbers of people in a non-secured environment and within easy access to that individual makes you at LEAST civilly liable.
    What law says this?

    Again. Pencils? Knifes? Hammers?

    Nail gun?

    You are being ridiculous.


    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    But where you jump off the 'stupid' reservation and land squarely into 'retarded' is when you want to make the inane comparison of an AR15 with high capacity magazines to pencils.
    Wrong. That would be your stupid argument.
    They are both tools which can do damage.

    You do not hold another responsible for some one else's actions. Period.
    The only person who should be held responsible is the person who did the act.


    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And if you are too stupid to understand that, ...
    Still acting like a juvenile I see.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

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    Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother[W:52]I'd suggest that everyone stop with the personal attacks and get back on the topic and addressing just what is said. And just to head it off at the pass...this includes side swipes.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If a guy buys a Chevy Suburban, and then plows it through a crowd of people on a city corner killing a dozen or more people in the process, should the families of the deceased be able to sue Chevrolet????
    Actually if it was a guy with an expired or revoked license who acquired the car through a relative's carelessness, then yes, even if the relative who carelessly gave access to his vehicle is one of the crowd who is killed.

    I am guessing that having your guns secure, particularly when you are aware of a son with mental and emotional issues, should be able to be expected, civilly if not criminally.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    What legal principle can be applied to leaving a rifle accessible To a legal adult who was not prohibited from owning a gun?

    This is a sham case IMO I don't see how they can prove the elements of negligence, considering there is some evidence the guns were locked. I am suprised there still is an estate this late in the game ....
    IIRC there was evidence that both the mother and father new he was having emotional and mental issues. I think that changes the dynamic quite a bit. Perhaps not in the criminal field, but certainly in the civil arena.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    IIRC there was evidence that both the mother and father new he was having emotional and mental issues. I think that changes the dynamic quite a bit. Perhaps not in the criminal field, but certainly in the civil arena.
    Parental liability/vicarious liability is a fairly well established legal precedent across the country (though applied somewhat differently in all 50 states). REASONABLE measures of security should be taken. Had that been done the tragedy MAY have still occurred...but it also may not have been. Adam Lanza running around trying to stab teachers carrying a box of number 2 yellow pencils and a spare sharpener probably wouldnt have had the same results as was seen with easy access to an AR15, handguns, a shotgun, and boxes and boxes of ammo.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Parental liability/vicarious liability is a fairly well established legal precedent across the country (though applied somewhat differently in all 50 states). REASONABLE measures of security should be taken. Had that been done the tragedy MAY have still occurred...but it also may not have been. Adam Lanza running around trying to stab teachers carrying a box of number 2 yellow pencils and a spare sharpener probably wouldnt have had the same results as was seen with easy access to an AR15, handguns, a shotgun, and boxes and boxes of ammo.
    Are you suggesting that equal damage could be done with sharp pencils as an AR15? If you are, then you're not intelligent enough to discuss this with.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    With you, yes, because you're not motivated by moral outrage just political opportunism.
    That makes no sense.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Are you suggesting that equal damage could be done with sharp pencils as an AR15? If you are, then you're not intelligent enough to discuss this with.
    Given that pencils were in the school and an AR-15 was not.....

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    That would depend on if the car was used for the purpose it was manufactured for.
    So you don't know what Chevy Suburbans were made for?
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Given that pencils were in the school and an AR-15 was not.....
    Oh my you look at one possible aspect and disregard all the rest? Moronic at best. A person with pencils is easier to stop, less likely to cause death, will have to take waaaay more time to kill multiple individuals, etc.
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