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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Stop dodging and just answer my question ?

    We have car accidents too but almost no gun deaths. You have car accidents PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 30,000 gun deaths per annum. Why is that a good thing ?
    that's a stupid question because gun bans will not change that

    the question should be this. we Americans are generally free to be armed as we see fit. England on the other hand, engaged in collective bed wetting and punished all the legal handgun owners over one maniac's rampage. How is England better off by making scapegoats out of innocent people?



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No deaths are a good thing. Why is it ok to accept some deaths but not others if they can be prevented?
    Because some are far more easily preventable than others with firearms deaths being perhaps the easiest of all given the UK example . Its this unwillingness by US firearm disciples to acknowledge that fact that makes them collectively culpable for your horrendous firearms stats

    There's little rationale behind it. In the US, there is no way to remove the guns from criminals. None. Just like with drugs. In the US guns also save lives.
    The guns most criminals now have were doubtless legally owned once upon a time so you are blaming the symptom and not the cause

    We place rights above safety..esp. when we enable...hopefully encourage people...to take responsibility for themselves. Giving people the ability to protect their own rights when possible.
    By shooting people ?

    As a woman living alone on rural acreage far from the police, why should I be forced to give up a good means of protection because of other people's fears? Are they going to suffer my consequences when I am raped or murdered during a break-in? Your crime rates might have gone down but that is little solace to anyone that does suffer from crime and had fewer options for protection.
    I suspect your fear of crime is vastly greater than the actuality of it.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I suspect your fear of crime is vastly greater than the actuality of it.
    so why are you whining about US gun ownership? if crime is not that great to justify honest people being armed, it certainly is not great enough to disarm honest people hoping it might deter a few of the scarce criminals



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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's a stupid question because gun bans will not change that
    They have here.

    the question should be this. we Americans are generally free to be armed as we see fit. England on the other hand, engaged in collective bed wetting and punished all the legal handgun owners over one maniac's rampage. How is England better off by making scapegoats out of innocent people?
    How have we done this ? You seem to think we are all here pining after our lost firearms when truth be told probably 99% of us look over the pond and are relieved that our laws work so much better than yours in safeguarding our society . Any politician advocating a US system of firearms availability would be sent into electoral oblivion at the ballot box pretty quickly and rightly so.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so why are you whining about US gun ownership? if crime is not that great to justify honest people being armed, it certainly is not great enough to disarm honest people hoping it might deter a few of the scarce criminals
    Because avoiding 30,000 needless deaths every year might be worth it ?

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's a stupid question because gun bans will not change that

    the question should be this. we Americans are generally free to be armed as we see fit. England on the other hand, engaged in collective bed wetting and punished all the legal handgun owners over one maniac's rampage. How is England better off by making scapegoats out of innocent people?
    Oh come on now. Ban guns, and that will result in 30,000 fewer deaths. Why, you ask? It's obvious. The thugs who use guns to kill each other will instead hug and be friends. The people who commit suicide by gun will instead be walking around singing "My life is great! I'm so happy to be alive!". Drug dealers will just yell at the guy who tries to rob them - "No no no, you can't take my money. Now go away!". And the people who used guns to protect themselves? Well, with any luck they can talk the person who intends to hurt them out of it.

    See, you're just not looking at it the right way.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Oh come on now. Ban guns, and that will result in 30,000 fewer deaths. Why, you ask? It's obvious. The thugs who use guns to kill each other will instead hug and be friends. The people who commit suicide by gun will instead be walking around singing "My life is great! I'm so happy to be alive!". Drug dealers will just yell at the guy who tries to rob them - "No no no, you can't take my money. Now go away!". And the people who used guns to protect themselves? Well, with any luck they can talk the person who intends to hurt them out of it.

    See, you're just not looking at it the right way.
    Maybe you could try your sarcasm out on the victims families of the next high school massacre (which is never long delayed Stateside) I'm sure they will appreciate it

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Maybe you could try your sarcasm out on the victims families of the next high school massacre (which is never long delayed Stateside) I'm sure they will appreciate it
    Lame appeal to emotion. But then again, that is all you have had to start with. School massacres are very rare in the USA and when they happen, its mainly due to liberals making them gun free zones



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    They have here.



    How have we done this ? You seem to think we are all here pining after our lost firearms when truth be told probably 99% of us look over the pond and are relieved that our laws work so much better than yours in safeguarding our society . Any politician advocating a US system of firearms availability would be sent into electoral oblivion at the ballot box pretty quickly and rightly so.
    any politician who tried to confiscate all US owned handguns would have a very short lived political career. We are not a nation of cowards or bedwetters



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Lame appeal to emotion. But then again, that is all you have had to start with. School massacres are very rare in the USA and when they happen, its mainly due to liberals making them gun free zones
    I'd find you a bit more credible if you showed even a fraction of the emotion you have in defending guns as you do for the victims of them . Especially in this instance

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