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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

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    No it's not, it works very well so people had to invent reasons to avoid confronting it.
    Its the fallacy of False Equivalency. It has not at all worked well for your side and has been exposed over and over again. And it has been confronted head on right here by others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its the fallacy of False Equivalency. It has not at all worked well for your side and has been exposed over and over again. And it has been confronted head on right here by others.
    It won't stop them from hiding behind it ad infinitum all the same. Its a bit like the old chestnut that 'guns don't kill people, people do' which makes about as much sense as saying lawnmowers don't mow lawns, people do. You get my point I hope

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

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    No it works very well for gun nuts who want to avoid confronting the consequences of their bizarre fetish for the wider society. All developed nations have auto casualties (they are an unavoidable fact of modern life) but none remotely approach the US in firearms casualties. It is quite unique in that regard
    Are men that collect cars and women that collect women just silly fetishists too?

    I am a strong supporter of the 2A and have several guns. Every single one has a specific purpose and is not some collector's item. I dont hoard extras.

    And car accidents are not unavoidable...get rid of private cars. And if you want to reduce accidents, reduce the numbers of cars in private hands. Millions of adults in the US do not own cars and do just fine. If people really care about DEATHS and not tools, then they would be restricing private vehicle use to absolute necessity...people near public transportation couldnt own them or only use them in emergencies and people in rural areas would need special permits and only be able to use them for agricultural purposes or to get to public transit in town.

    But people arent interested in reducing deaths, they're interested in getting rid of guns, irrationally.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    It won't stop them from hiding behind it ad infinitum all the same. Its a bit like the old chestnut that 'guns don't kill people, people do' which makes about as much sense as saying lawnmowers don't mow lawns, people do. You get my point I hope
    Yes - and you are accurate. I like the lawnmowers comparison.

    Here in the States, there are people who are so extreme on the far right side of the gun issue that they feel some need to characterize anyone who does not share their almost religious like obsession as "anti-gun". For example, the most conservative US President in the last 80 years was Ronald Reagan. He was a great friend of the NRA and a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. But Reagan signed a law as governor and another as President which placed restrictions on guns so now he is lumped in with a category of contempt called GUN BANNERS. The idea being that there just might be one gun you do not want available but that makes you a GUN BANNER. And if somebody then jumps to the conclusion that the title means you want to ban ALL GUNS - so much the better to demonize your enemy.

    This has to stop.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Are men that collect cars and women that collect women just silly fetishists too?
    Some fetishes are harmless others aren't

    I am a strong supporter of the 2A and have several guns. Every single one has a specific purpose and is not some collector's item. I dont hoard extras.
    Specific purpose ? A guns raison d'etre is killing so how many do you need ? You only have two hands after all

    And car accidents are not unavoidable...get rid of private cars. And if you want to reduce accidents, reduce the numbers of cars in private hands.
    Cost benefit analysis. Cars are a huge asset to a modern society that could not exist in its current form without them. Guns are not

    Millions of adults in the US do not own cars and do just fine.
    I'm sure they do

    But people arent interested in reducing deaths, they're interested in getting rid of guns, irrationally.
    Saving 30,000 lives a year from a factor that other developed societies have managed to avoid almost entirely is certainly not irrational.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    It won't stop them from hiding behind it ad infinitum all the same. Its a bit like the old chestnut that 'guns don't kill people, people do' which makes about as much sense as saying lawnmowers don't mow lawns, people do. You get my point I hope
    Do you have a lot of lawnmowers in England that are self powered, and decide what lawns they are cutting that day?

    Lawnmowers don't mow lawns on their own. People operate them. Just like guns don't kill anyone on their own. People operate them.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Do you have a lot of lawnmowers in England that are self powered, and decide what lawns they are cutting that day?

    Lawnmowers don't mow lawns on their own. People operate them. Just like guns don't kill anyone on their own. People operate them.
    WOW!!!! Flogger called that one right on the nose!!!!!
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    WOW!!!! Flogger called that one right on the nose!!!!!
    nope, his argument is extreme-he wants Americans disarmed like the Brits.. Public Safety is just a facade



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Do you have a lot of lawnmowers in England that are self powered, and decide what lawns they are cutting that day?

    Lawnmowers don't mow lawns on their own. People operate them. Just like guns don't kill anyone on their own. People operate them.
    Hooray for you ! You got my point

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    WOW!!!! Flogger called that one right on the nose!!!!!
    It's very easy to "call that one" when it's an obvious and fatal weakness in the entire gun restriction / confiscation debate. Perhaps when 2A deniers can explain how inanimate objects are the source of evil without people, "calling that one" will become a moot point.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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