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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I see that you totally ignored what I said. Re-read and provide an answer that suites the post in question please. Its a real easy question to answer that only involves using one of two words to reply to. "Yes" or "no". In fact I'll even rephrase it in order to simplify it for you.

    Do you deny that gun manufacturers do not intend for their products to murder people?

    or we can phrase it this way....

    Do you believe that gun manufacturers intend their products to be used in the commission of a murder?
    YES.

    Every single gun manufacturer in the entire world knows damn well that their product can be used in the commission of crime and that includes murder. They would have to be in the worst combination of intentional denial along with severe mental disability to not realize that simple fact of life.

    To pretend otherwise is to dwell in delusion and fantasy and denying history.

    I hope my response was clear enough for you this time.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    "Violence prone"? Based on what? He hadn't committed any acts of violence. He wasn't diagnosed as a violent schizophrenic.
    It's an open question. I do not know. That would be for the people looking into it to decide.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I wouldn't sue. There isn't enough money in the world to replace a dead child, but it's their right. My biggest issues in this entire thread have been the idea that since a gun is tool it doesn't have to be secured any better than a hammer and the idea that since mother is dead she can't be at fault. Both are wongheaded to me.
    Who said a gun shouldn't be secured?
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    YES.

    Every single gun manufacturer in the entire world knows damn well that their product can be used in the commission of crime and that includes murder. They would have to be in the worst combination of intentional denial along with severe mental disability to not realize that simple fact of life.

    To pretend otherwise is to dwell in delusion and fantasy and denying history.

    I hope my response was clear enough for you this time.
    I called it, you didn't answer the question, AS ****ING USUAL.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    YES.

    Every single gun manufacturer in the entire world knows damn well that their product can be used in the commission of crime and that includes murder. They would have to be in the worst combination of intentional denial along with severe mental disability to not realize that simple fact of life.

    To pretend otherwise is to dwell in delusion and fantasy and denying history.

    I hope my response was clear enough for you this time.
    Christonacracker. He asked you:

    Do you believe that gun manufacturers intend their products to be used in the commission of a murder?

    And then you come back with this moronic post. He didn't ask you if they knew that a gun CAN BE USED in the commission of a murder. He asked you if they INTEND for their guns to be used in the commission of a murder.

    No wonder people laugh at gun grabbers.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How in the world can anyone tell if she told him where the key was? It would be impossible to prove one way or another.

    As to whether he was violent prone...isn't that what locking them away is to help with? IE: Irrelevant if he was violent prone or not as long as weapons were locked away since the very purpose of locking away guns is twofold. Keep kids away from guns in order to prevent accidental shootings and keep violent people away from guns. This whole schtick of him being violent prone does not mean that she doesn't have a right to own guns nor does it mean that she shouldn't have had guns in the first place.
    Again I don't know. It's an open question. All I'm saying is it's a reasonable question to ask.

    Yes that's what locking the guns up is for. I'm NOT saying that she shouldn't have had guns in the first place. All I'm saying, all I've been saying, is that firearms need to be secured and what "secured" means depends on individual circumstances.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Who said a gun shouldn't be secured?
    Read some of my earlier discussions in this thread.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    YES.

    Every single gun manufacturer in the entire world knows damn well that their product can be used in the commission of crime and that includes murder. They would have to be in the worst combination of intentional denial along with severe mental disability to not realize that simple fact of life.

    To pretend otherwise is to dwell in delusion and fantasy and denying history.

    I hope my response was clear enough for you this time.
    They probably do. Everyone in the universe probably knows that that potential exists. Again so what? It doesn't matter in the least. Firearms are legal for private citizens to own. Responsibility for misuse falls squarely and completely on the user and possibly on the owner in the case where the weapon is not properly safeguarded. The manufacturer has no control over that and cannot be held responsible
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Again I don't know. It's an open question. All I'm saying is it's a reasonable question to ask.
    When there is no reasonable way of obtaining an actual answer then no, its not a reasonable question to ask.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Yes that's what locking the guns up is for. I'm NOT saying that she shouldn't have had guns in the first place. All I'm saying, all I've been saying, is that firearms need to be secured and what "secured" means depends on individual circumstances.
    You may not be saying that she shouldn't have had guns in the first place, but several other people have.

    Bold: Basing what is considered "secured" upon individual circumstances is a good way to leave so much up for subjectivity that pretty much any amount of precautions or security taken beforehand could be deemed as "not secured" or "not secured properly". Doing so in a court of law or even in a legislated law would be one hell of a blow to 2nd Amendment Rights. Anti-gunners would have a field day with it and so would trigger happy DA's (no pun intended) looking to make a name for themselves. Not to mention all the ambulance chasing lawyers.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    YES.

    Every single gun manufacturer in the entire world knows damn well that their product can be used in the commission of crime and that includes murder. They would have to be in the worst combination of intentional denial along with severe mental disability to not realize that simple fact of life.

    To pretend otherwise is to dwell in delusion and fantasy and denying history.

    I hope my response was clear enough for you this time.
    You still evaded my original question.

    Car manufacturers know that their products can be used in the commission of a crime. Those that make hammers knows that their product can be used in the commission of a crime. Bat makers know that their product can be used in the commission of a crime. And as you said here...

    They would have to be in the worst combination of intentional denial along with severe mental disability to not realize that simple fact of life.

    To pretend otherwise is to dwell in delusion and fantasy and denying history.
    Now, let me draw your attention to a previous post of yours.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Because a person is using the item as intended by its creators.
    Now, lets try and answer my actual question to you this time.

    Do you deny that gun manufacturers do not intend for their products to murder people?

    or....

    Do you believe that gun manufacturers intend their products to be used in the commission of a murder?
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