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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Judging from the response here, I would say yes. It really makes no difference that the mother died, that is not always the case and has nothing to do with punishment by society. You guys are scared $hitless that you might lose everything because of your guns but isn't that what happened to all those grieving parents?
    I don't own a gun, so...

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    And money grubbing soul sucking lawyers trying to pilfer their weasily black guts out. The dead woman already paid the price. The "responsible" party was murdered for her gun. By her son no less. And the actual responsible party died in the school.

    This isn't about parents stopping it with lawsuits. It is about a pay day for bottom feeding scum who have convinced these parents to pay all kinds of money to them (over half of any winnings I bet). Oh. And if they lose? Those soul sucking scumbag lawyers still get a payday.
    If Mrs. Lanza acted negligently then her estate should pay for it and if for no other reason than as a lesson to others to secure their firearms. That's the essence of tort law.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    On which "principle" would that be?
    "Mom is dead and lawyers are greedy bitches"
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You would see it that way. I see parents trying to stop this from happening to others.
    Why do you think Spud would 'see it that way'? He's got a decent liberal lean and has never been an overly zealous gun nut. Wait...gasp...could it be that maybe 'you' are the one with the all too predictable position here?

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    Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    If Mrs. Lanza acted negligently then her estate should pay for it and if for no other reason than as a lesson to others to secure their firearms. That's the essence of tort law.
    Let me ask you a very serious question. Can you act negligently if you are dead? She is dead. She was murdered. Remember?

    I don't need a lesson to secure my firearms. I do. Nobody is getting their hands on my gun. If they kill me...that is different. That is out of the realm of my control. Is that going to be the argument these lawyers make? That I should secure my guns in such a way that nobody can get them if I am murdered?

    Now let's take a trip back to reality for a second. Let's not pretend this is about "gun safety." Let's analyze reality here. Would you sue a car company for a drunk driver? How about a knife company for a stabbing? Or a pool company if a child drowns in the pool?

    The answer is no. No logical person would. What did these lawyers do after the shooting? They sued the gun company. I don't blame the parents for going after the companies. That makes sense for someone who loses a child and is grief stricken and looking for someone to blame. Especially since the one they should blame killed himself like the little coward he was.

    But that isn't what is happening here. These parents aren't looking to punish anyone. Besides...how is this a lesson since the gun owner was MURDERED.

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    This is about money. Scum sucking lawyers trying to profit off the dead. Don't stand up for them. This isn't about justice and you know it. It is about greed. Cui Bono? Who gets the most money if they win? The lawyer? Or the client? It ain't the client.

    And didn't this come up AFTER they found out about the $1,000,000? Smells like fish to me. And that ain't cause I just got back from the beach.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Let me ask you a very serious question. Can you act negligently if you are dead? She is dead. She was murdered. Remember?

    I don't need a lesson to secure my firearms. I do. Nobody is getting their hands on my gun. If they kill me...that is different. That is out of the realm of my control. Is that going to be the argument these lawyers make? That I should secure my guns in such a way that nobody can get them if I am murdered?

    Now let's take a trip back to reality for a second. Let's not pretend this is about "gun safety." Let's analyze reality here. Would you sue a car company for a drunk driver? How about a knife company for a stabbing? Or a pool company if a child drowns in the pool?

    The answer is no. No logical person would. What did these lawyers do after the shooting? They sued the gun company. I don't blame the parents for going after the companies. That makes sense for someone who loses a child and is grief stricken and looking for someone to blame. Especially since the one they should blame killed himself like the little coward he was.

    But that isn't what is happening here. These parents aren't looking to punish anyone. Besides...how is this a lesson since the gun owner was MURDERED.

    TL;DR

    This is about money. Scum sucking lawyers trying to profit off the dead. Don't stand up for them. This isn't about justice and you know it. It is about greed. Cui Bono? Who gets the most money if they win? The lawyer? Or the client? It ain't the client.

    And didn't this come up AFTER they found out about the $1,000,000? Smells like fish to me. And that ain't cause I just got back from the beach.

    It's not at all the same as the case you pointed out about being liable because someone kills you and steals your weapons. Mrs. Lanza was killed with her own weapons taken, not off her person, but from wherever they were stored. Different picture because if Mrs. Lanza was negligent her negligence predates her death.

    How one secures their firearms depends on circumstances - you can't draw a hard and fast rule. When my kids were little my handguns and long guns were locked away. Now that my children are adults one handgun is not locked - in the interest of self defense should it ever be necessary - when I'm home. In my circumstances that seems reasonable. If I had a kid, even as an adult, with mental problems, or one who exhibits violent tendencies that might not be reasonable. Maybe in that case the only reasonable thing to do is to not have any firearms at all.


    In our system people (or their estate in this case) can be sued if they acted negligently and caused harm to other people. It's not about punishment as much as it's about compensating people for their loss. Yeah it's distasteful to talk about compensating for a death but that's the way the system works. If you don't like it work on changing the system, don't blame the families for taking advantage of the system.

    I've already stated that the gun manufacturers should not be sued. It isn't their fault in any way. The weapons operated as designed. it's up to the owner to secure them and make sure they take reasonable precautions to insure they aren't used illegally.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I'm sure the ambulance-chasers have persuaded them that they are somehow honoring their deceased children's memories and somehow protecting other children.
    I think these families genuinely believe that gun laws would've saved their children's lives and three years after the shooting no substantive laws have been passed outside of CT and CO, they probably feel the medias moved on and want to bring the topic back out.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    "Mom is dead and lawyers are greedy bitches"
    That is no principle but a personal opinion of yours based on vitriol and demonization.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You would see it that way. I see parents trying to stop this from happening to others.
    How, exactly, will that work? How does suing a murder victim for the actions of a murderer prevent anything?
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is no principle but a personal opinion of yours based on vitriol and demonization.
    Please man, stop with the moral BS. You're all for this in hopes it can hurt gun ownership, that's all you care about. The parents, the pain, the costs to everyone else is nothing. All you see is a furthered political agenda, nothing more.
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