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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    It is not an apples and oranges comparison. The fact that she's dead is completely irrelevant because it's her actions prior to her death that are in question. And her actions may be negligent if she wasn't reasonably careful with safeguarding her weapons.
    Understand I don't know if she was or wasn't. All I'm saying is that it's not a question that you can't dismiss out of hand because she's dead and she wasn't the shooter.
    Since you don't know, you don't have a case.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Since you don't know, you don't have a case.
    No one knows. Which is why it's legitimate to ask.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    It is not an apples and oranges comparison. The fact that she's dead is completely irrelevant because it's her actions prior to her death that are in question. And her actions may be negligent if she wasn't reasonably careful with safeguarding her weapons.
    Understand I don't know if she was or wasn't. All I'm saying is that it's not a question that you can't dismiss out of hand because she's dead and she wasn't the shooter.
    Its already been shown that she did reasonably safeguard her guns. Post #4.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes - the main purpose of a firearm is as its use as a weapon. If one cannot admit that simple reality - there is little point in entertaining any other delusion or fantasy about what firearms are there for.

    Yes - you can shoot at targets and hunting and in competition. That does NOT negate its main purpose as a weapon.
    I see that you totally ignored what I said. Re-read and provide an answer that suites the post in question please. Its a real easy question to answer that only involves using one of two words to reply to. "Yes" or "no". In fact I'll even rephrase it in order to simplify it for you.

    Do you deny that gun manufacturers do not intend for their products to murder people?

    or we can phrase it this way....

    Do you believe that gun manufacturers intend their products to be used in the commission of a murder?
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    No one knows. Which is why it's legitimate to ask.
    But not to sue. And there is no way to ever know if she was negligent.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I see that you totally ignored what I said. Re-read and provide an answer that suites the post in question please. Its a real easy question to answer that only involves using one of two words to reply to. "Yes" or "no". In fact I'll even rephrase it in order to simplify it for you.

    Do you deny that gun manufacturers do not intend for their products to murder people?

    or we can phrase it this way....

    Do you believe that gun manufacturers intend their products to be used in the commission of a murder?
    Expecting a straight answer out of him is like expecting a bear to not **** in the woods.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Its already been shown that she did reasonably safeguard her guns. Post #4.
    Then the lawsuit will go nowhere fast.

    And btw - just locking them in the basement may not be enough if she told the kid where the key was AND she knew that he was violence prone. That all would need to be determined.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Then the lawsuit will go nowhere fast.

    And btw - just locking them in the basement may not be enough if she told the kid where the key was AND she knew that he was violence prone. That all would need to be determined.
    "Violence prone"? Based on what? He hadn't committed any acts of violence. He wasn't diagnosed as a violent schizophrenic.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    But not to sue. And there is no way to ever know if she was negligent.
    I wouldn't sue. There isn't enough money in the world to replace a dead child, but it's their right. My biggest issues in this entire thread have been the idea that since a gun is tool it doesn't have to be secured any better than a hammer and the idea that since mother is dead she can't be at fault. Both are wongheaded to me.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Then the lawsuit will go nowhere fast.

    And btw - just locking them in the basement may not be enough if she told the kid where the key was AND she knew that he was violence prone. That all would need to be determined.
    How in the world can anyone tell if she told him where the key was? It would be impossible to prove one way or another.

    As to whether he was violent prone...isn't that what locking them away is to help with? IE: Irrelevant if he was violent prone or not as long as weapons were locked away since the very purpose of locking away guns is twofold. Keep kids away from guns in order to prevent accidental shootings and keep violent people away from guns. This whole schtick of him being violent prone does not mean that she doesn't have a right to own guns nor does it mean that she shouldn't have had guns in the first place.
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