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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

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    have you gun banners ever figured out how lame that argument is
    I would be happy to check with that infamous "gun banner" Ronald Reagan to get the answer but I read that he is deceased.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

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    I agree with most of your post. At the end of the day, however, Lend Lease and D-day allowed the USSR to avoid a stalemate.
    Given the Red Army had been advancing almost continuously since Feb 43 and given that by 1944 it outnumbered the Wehrmacht by 3 - 4 to one in most categories and especially in armour, why do you believe there would be a stalemate ? In my view had the allies not invaded Europe from the West then the ultimate defeat of Germany by the USSR would have only been delayed by at most 7- 9 months

    Even after Stalingrad, the Germans remained very lethal on a broad unit by unit average. Soviet soldiers drove to their victories on 50,000 2 /12 ton trucks while eating about 2 billion pounds of US provided food.
    These were hardly critical factors given Russia had managed to both feed and move its troops fairly well before they kicked in. They certainly helped but they were hardly crucial to the final victory

    My guess is that with out lend lease and D-day, the entire eastern front would have stalemated after Kursk (Kursk was far more of a stalemate than a German defeat).
    Your opinion is not based on fact. The Germans couldn't stop the Russians at Kursk in 43 despite throwing almost their entire strength against them. What makes you think a weaker Wehrmacht could therefore stop and even stronger Red Army a year later ?

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would be happy to check with that infamous "gun banner" Ronald Reagan to get the answer but I read that he is deceased.
    do you think such evasive posts matter? Ronald Reagan has no relevance to this argument. and under the rules of debate you constantly talk about, its diversion



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we understand the consequences of freedom. 99% of all gun owners use them responsibly and for proper purposes. the benefits far outweigh the costs and most of the costs would remain even if the wet dreams of gun fearers came true
    And if course we all know that if guns were banned, nobody would commit suicide anymore. And nobody would murder anyone again. 30,000 families wouldn't lose a loved one. And I'll wake up in bed tomorrow morning with Brad Pitt lying where my husband usually is.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you think such evasive posts matter? Ronald Reagan has no relevance to this argument. and under the rules of debate you constantly talk about, its diversion
    Oh I think it is very very important each and every time you bring up the silly charge of GUN BANNER to bring up Ronald Reagan in reply. Yes - that is highly relevant and is a very appropriate part of debate as it is very germane to the issue of the very charge you levy and what it is suppose to indicate about ones support for SecondAmendment rights.

    Reagan was a friend of the NRA and strong supporter of the Second Amendment. The fact that your silly charge of GUN BANNER applies to him for his actions as Governor and President show just how silly such labels are and that they prove nothing about ones support for the Second Amendment.

    YES - I think that is extremely relevant.
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    The truth is always relevant.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The truth is always relevant.
    not at all, something can be truthful but irrelevant to the conversation. Ronald Reagan is irrelevant to this conversation



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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    not at all, something can be truthful but irrelevant to the conversation. Ronald Reagan is irrelevant to this conversation
    Any time you throw out the silly charge of GUN BANNER in a discussion about the Second Amendment, the name and record of Ronald Reagan is extremely relevant and will be brought up to show just how silly the label is since Reagan was a strong fried and supporter of the Second Amendment.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The truth is always relevant.
    what was your excuse the other day, for complaining about people being off topic?

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Any time you throw out the silly charge of GUN BANNER in a discussion about the Second Amendment, the name and record of Ronald Reagan is extremely relevant and will be brought up to show just how silly the label is since Reagan was a strong fried and supporter of the Second Amendment.
    if you believe the government should or can ban guns you are a gun banner. Reagan has nothing to do with this discussion

    you believe the victims should be able to sue gun makers because guns are designed-in your words-to kill even though not to kill people in violation of the law. I noted cars that are NOT intended to Kill, kill FAR MORE PEOPLE despite not being designed to do that and you failed to address that point but instead mentioned Reagan


    why the evasion?



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