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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no it wouldn't and might well increase crimes because lots of people won't comply with a silly ban.
    Nonsense. Around 30,000 lives a year would be saved based on international comparisons

    People who call firearms ownership a "fetish" suggest the motivation for their proposed laws is based on a cultural hatred of gun ownership and not a real desire to curb crime. its all about protecting freedom
    I don't hate guns but I do hate those who idolise them at the expense of the wider society

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Nonsense. Around 30,000 lives a year would be saved based on international comparisons



    I don't hate guns but I do hate those who idolise them at the expense of the wider society
    bogus argument. Chicago and DC banned guns and the murder rates skyrocketed. I get tired of disarmed subjects of other governments wanting to impose the misery they suffer on free people. your claim that 30,000 lives would be saved is something you just made up and has no basis in reality.



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    bogus argument. Chicago and DC banned guns and the murder rates skyrocketed. I get tired of disarmed subjects of other governments wanting to impose the misery they suffer on free people. your claim that 30,000 lives would be saved is something you just made up and has no basis in reality.
    Its your number of firearms deaths per annum. To put this into context in two years your fatalities surpass those of the Vietnam war and that took ten years causing riots and civil disturbance all over the US. You are around 40 times more likely to be shot in the US than Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    True if and only if you talk about the ORIGINAL intent. There are many purpose built modern firearms that are optimized for target shooting. They certainly can be used to kill someone but they are by design meant for target shooting. That doesn't really alter the fact that the first firearms were meant to be weapons but that's really irrelevant. In fact this entire rathole is completely irrelevant.
    Te word you are looking for is not IRRELEVANT but rather INCONVENIENT. Every time a person shoots a gun at another person or creature they are using that weapon for the purpose it was created in the first place.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Its your number of firearms deaths per annum. To put this into context in two years your fatalities surpass those of the Vietnam war and that took ten years causing riots and civil disturbance all over the US. You are arounf 40 times more likely to be shot in the US than Europe
    sadly for you, your desire to impose the Dunblane Bed wetting on us won't happen and wouldn't do much. More than half those deaths are suicides. and of the remaining cases which are murder-more than 80% of the murder victims and the murderers are already banned from owning guns. If you don't do drugs, or hang out with drug dealers your chances of being murdered with a gun are very low. Indeed, us white americans have a lower rate of violent crime than you whites in England



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is no grounds to sue the maker the gun is not defective and did not malfunction

    sorry that is a silly argument.
    That is an argument meant for the courts in specific lawsuits. People have a constitutional right to sue in court and have their day in court. The idea that we give special protections to the gun industry that other companies do not get is a travesty and disgusting. The sole purpose for it is political payoffs.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Te word you are looking for is not IRRELEVANT but rather INCONVENIENT. Every time a person shoots a gun at another person or creature they are using that weapon for the purpose it was created in the first place.
    but you ignore that in some cases that is LEGAL and in other cases its Illegal and 80% of the time that it is illegal it was also ILLEGAL for the shooter to possess the gun. So why should a gun maker be liable for illegal use of a gun when 99% or more of gun use is legal?



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its a specious argument gun banners make. they think a product that is not defective and works as intended should be sued out of existence when criminals deliberately violate the law. why do they believe that? because their desires for laws banning guns are not being fulfilled so they want to use harassing lawsuits to bankrupt an industry because that industry tends to cater to non-socialists or non-statists
    Your very argument contradicts itself. If a gun manufacturer has done nothing wrong, how can they then be "sued out of existence"? That makes no sense on any level because it assumes they will have to pay huge penalties when being found responsible - which you adamantly keep insisting they are not.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is an argument meant for the courts in specific lawsuits. People have a constitutional right to sue in court and have their day in court. The idea that we give special protections to the gun industry that other companies do not get is a travesty and disgusting. The sole purpose for it is political payoffs.
    so if they sue and lose you agree they should have to compensate the target of their suit especially after similar suits continue to be dismissed as frivolous? the sole purpose of those lawsuits is to try to bankrupt industries socialist scumbags want to put out of business but cannot do so with legislation



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your very argument contradicts itself. If a gun manufacturer has done nothing wrong, how can they then be "sued out of existence"? That makes no sense on any level because it assumes they will have to pay huge penalties when being found responsible - which you adamantly keep insisting they are not.
    I guess you don't understand that if you are sued, and win it still costs you money and if those suits are financed by cities who can tax their citizens more and more to pay for them, defending such suits becomes financially burdensome



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