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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    This country needs massive tort reform, the type where you sue and lose you pay the court costs to those you sue. The type where damages are capped to reasonable levels and where lawsuits like this get tossed on principle.
    On which "principle" would that be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Protection from frivolous lawsuits and crooked lawyers is a good thing.

    It is all about the money.
    We live in the USA. What else would you expect other than a concern about money? That is a very important part of our culture.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    This country needs massive tort reform, the type where you sue and lose you pay the court costs to those you sue. The type where damages are capped to reasonable levels and where lawsuits like this get tossed on principle.
    There would be some very serious unintended consequences to loser pays. Primarily people with legitimate grievances who could not afford to pay if they lost would be very reluctant to bring their cases about.

    Lawyers essentially act as a brake on unwinnable suits because they usually work on contingency and won't take a case that they don't see a chance of winning. That of course has downsides as well, for the most part in the area of class action suits, but there is no perfect solution.

    What we obviously really need to do is change our mindset. Just because something had happens it doesn't mean someone is automatically liable. It's hard to see how a manufacturer should be liable for the misuse or illegal use of their product. Maybe as a first step the we need to reform law to get the "deep pockets" out of the picture in cases where there isn't a product defect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We live in the USA. What else would you expect other than a concern about money? That is a very important part of our culture.
    Not when it is driven by greed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Not when it is driven by greed.
    That also is a very important part of our culture.

    But I suspect the motivation behind these lawsuits is not merely the desire for money but a desire to reach out and hit the companies behind gun proliferation causing them some economic penalty and harm. So I suspect this goes beyond the mere desire for money in ones pocket.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    There would be some very serious unintended consequences to loser pays. Primarily people with legitimate grievances who could not afford to pay if they lost would be very reluctant to bring their cases about.

    Lawyers essentially act as a brake on unwinnable suits because they usually work on contingency and won't take a case that they don't see a chance of winning. That of course has downsides as well, for the most part in the area of class action suits, but there is no perfect solution.

    What we obviously really need to do is change our mindset. Just because something had happens it doesn't mean someone is automatically liable. It's hard to see how a manufacturer should be liable for the misuse or illegal use of their product. Maybe as a first step the we need to reform law to get the "deep pockets" out of the picture in cases where there isn't a product defect.
    Another problem is with partial liability findings in civil cases; if you are found 5% liable (or, in other words, 95% not liable) then why should you be forced to make any settlement unless and until all of the other "guilty" parties are forced to pay up? Obviously your defense costs are still 100% even if your (potential) liability is not. If one was forced to face all parties at fault (in one case) then they could pool their defense resources making your odds of picking them off one by one far less.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that you oppose this same sort 'warning' when it comes to capital punishment. THAT somehow isn't a deterrent but a lawsuit is...
    Judging from the response here, I would say yes. It really makes no difference that the mother died, that is not always the case and has nothing to do with punishment by society. You guys are scared $hitless that you might lose everything because of your guns but isn't that what happened to all those grieving parents?

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    I actually agree with the lawsuit. If it is found that there is a a reasonable belief that Nancy Lanza knew her son was dangerous and unstable, she should have done a better job of securing her weapons if not had them removed to a friends home for a while. Unlike suing the gun manufacturers...this lawsuit actually makes senses.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    3 years on, these people are in the "how can I profit from my child's death?" stage of grief. Arseholes.
    You would see it that way. I see parents trying to stop this from happening to others.

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    Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You would see it that way. I see parents trying to stop this from happening to others.
    And money grubbing soul sucking lawyers trying to pilfer their weasily black guts out. The dead woman already paid the price. The "responsible" party was murdered for her gun. By her son no less. And the actual responsible party died in the school.

    This isn't about parents stopping it with lawsuits. It is about a pay day for bottom feeding scum who have convinced these parents to pay all kinds of money to them (over half of any winnings I bet). Oh. And if they lose? Those soul sucking scumbag lawyers still get a payday.
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