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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    NO. It matters and it matters completely. When a firearm is used to kill - it being used exactly for the purpose it was created in the first place. And the maker knows that and was aware of it and makes the product just the same.

    So please spare me the excuses and the really atrocious comparison to people driving cars. Cars were invented to transport people. They were NOT invented as weapons of death.
    That is a poor argument you offer.

    Guns were made to defend the individual, to kill game for food, and other reasons. For many, they are simply for sport. Many thousands of rounds fired in competitition, target practice and other things, yet not a single creature killed.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That makes no sense at all in any way shape or form as automobiles are used far far far more than guns are in terms of daily and hourly use not to mention by a whole lot more people each day than every come near a gun.
    you still haven't told us why a gun maker should be sued if an item they make is not defective and someone makes a conscious decision to violate the law and use the gun contrary to the criminal codes



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Well by all accounts it would dramatically reduce your homicide rate just for starters. But it seems US firearms fetishism has nothing to do with protecting people and everything to do with protecting guns
    no it wouldn't and might well increase crimes because lots of people won't comply with a silly ban.

    people who call firearms ownership a "fetish" suggest the motivation for their proposed laws is based on a cultural hatred of gun ownership and not a real desire to curb crime. its all about protecting freedom



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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    That is a poor argument you offer.

    Guns were made to defend the individual, to kill game for food, and other reasons. For many, they are simply for sport. Many thousands of rounds fired in competitition, target practice and other things, yet not a single creature killed.
    None of what you said negates the reality that firearms were made as a weapon to kill. When a person uses a firearm to shoot another person or creature, they are using it for its created purpose.

    That is simply reality no matter how many people shoot at targets.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you still haven't told us why a gun maker should be sued if an item they make is not defective and someone makes a conscious decision to violate the law and use the gun contrary to the criminal codes
    Because a person is using the item as intended by its creators.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    None of what you said negates the reality that firearms were made as a weapon to kill. When a person uses a firearm to shoot another person or creature, they are using it for its created purpose.

    That is simply reality no matter how many people shoot at targets.


    True if and only if you talk about the ORIGINAL intent. There are many purpose built modern firearms that are optimized for target shooting. They certainly can be used to kill someone but they are by design meant for target shooting. That doesn't really alter the fact that the first firearms were meant to be weapons but that's really irrelevant. In fact this entire rathole is completely irrelevant.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    What the **** does the reason why guns were created in the first place have to do with anything?
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Because a person is using the item as intended by its creators.
    that is no grounds to sue the maker the gun is not defective and did not malfunction

    sorry that is a silly argument.



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What the **** does the reason why guns were created in the first place have to do with anything?
    its a specious argument gun banners make. they think a product that is not defective and works as intended should be sued out of existence when criminals deliberately violate the law. why do they believe that? because their desires for laws banning guns are not being fulfilled so they want to use harassing lawsuits to bankrupt an industry because that industry tends to cater to non-socialists or non-statists



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its a specious argument gun banners make. they think a product that is not defective and works as intended should be sued out of existence when criminals deliberately violate the law. why do they believe that? because their desires for laws banning guns are not being fulfilled so they want to use harassing lawsuits to bankrupt an industry because that industry tends to cater to non-socialists or non-statists
    Axes were originally intended to chop down trees. I guess that should make the victim of an axe murder feel better than it wasn't intended to kill. But because they CAN kill, maybe we should ban axes so they don't fall into the hands of crazed lumberjacks who want to split their ex-wives' heads open.Boomerangs were invented as weapons yet we let our ****ing kids play with them. Cars were invented to be driven so I guess that means if you die as a result of being hit by a car at least you died having the satisfaction of being killed by something that wasn't intended to kill, and it's better that you weren't killed by a gun.

    WTF is with all of these freaking stupid posts by gun banners screaming about what guns were invented to do that aren't even remotely relevant to anything? Someone who is hell bent on murdering someone else isn't going to stop and look around and make sure he finds a weapon of destruction that was invented for that exact purpose.
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