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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why did you stop there? Lets finish that thought for you..........Firearms were designed to project a bullet at people or other targets.
    many of which are not animate so your claim about killing is without merit



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually IT IS the DIFFERENCE. And it is NOT semantics. It is the purpose and function of the item.
    nope gun is made for hunting, target practice and in some cases personal defense. please show me anywhere that a gun maker makes a gun for people to go on rampages with?
    ol yea you can't.

    a car is made for transportation to get someone from point a to point B please show me where the car maker designed the car to run a ton fo people over.
    while both can be used for evil purposes that doesn't mean they were designed that way.

    again semantics, but you don't care about facts.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why is it necessary for some to write into law special protections that go well over and above the same treatment in law given to other products used by consumers who use them for the purpose they were made for?
    all companies have the same protection depending on what the product is for.

    why? because once sold a company has little control over what someone does with their product regardless of products intent.

    I guess we should go and arrest all makers of turpentine because some people use it to make meth right?
    or any other house hold drug or chemical that is used in drug manufacturing?

    there are no special laws. all products are treated the same. the maker of the product is not responsible for the crimes of which people are committing with his product.
    just like alcohol companies are not responsible for the guy that gets drunk and mows down a ton of people with his car and neither is the car maker.

    the gun maker isn't responsible for what actions someone would do with a gun.

    why? they have no control over a person that buy their gun.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    many of which are not animate so your claim about killing is without merit
    I have absolutely no idea on earth what you mean by that or what it has to do with the reality that firearms were made as a weapon. Can you provide more explanation to what you are talking about?
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    all companies have the same protection depending on what the product is for.
    Really!?!?!?!? Then why has Congress and some states passed special laws for the gun industry?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/21/po...guns.html?_r=0



    By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
    Published: October 21, 2005
    WASHINGTON, Oct. 20 - The Republican-controlled Congress delivered a long-sought victory to the gun industry on Thursday when the House voted to shield firearms manufacturers and dealers from liability lawsuits. The bill now goes to President Bush, who has promised to sign it.



    Wayne LaPierre of the N.R.A. called the bill "historic."


    The gun liability bill has for years been the No. 1 legislative priority of the National Rifle Association, which has lobbied lawmakers intensely for it. Its final passage, by a vote of 283 to 144, with considerable Democratic support, reflected the changing politics of gun control, an issue many Democrats began shying away from after Al Gore, who promoted it, was defeated in the 2000 presidential race.

    "It's a historic piece of legislation," said Wayne LaPierre, the association's chief executive, who said the bill was the most significant victory for the gun lobby since Congress rewrote the federal gun control law in 1986. "As of Oct. 20, the Second Amendment is probably in the best shape in this country that it's been in decades."

    The bill, which is identical to one approved in July by the Senate, is aimed at ending a spate of lawsuits by individuals and municipalities, including New York City, seeking to hold gun manufacturers and dealers liable for negligence when their weapons are used in crimes.

    While it bars such suits, the measure contains an exception allowing certain cases involving defective weapons or criminal behavior by a gun maker or dealer, such as knowingly selling a weapon to someone who has failed a criminal background check.

    President Bush said in a statement that he looked forward to signing the bill, which he said would "further our efforts to stem frivolous lawsuits, which cause a logjam in America's courts, harm America's small businesses, and benefit a handful of lawyers at the expense of victims and consumers."
    Same for everyone indeed!!!!

    34 states also have singled out guns for special protections that other products and businesses do not get

    http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-industry...olicy-summary/

    simply click the second orange box - our state law summary - and stand back and be amazed by the special treatment guns get from state legislatures

    Its one thing to attempt to justify such special treatment - its quite another to pretend to deny it even exists.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It certainly can be depending on the situation and the facts involved.

    The thesaurus says it is

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    and it works the other way also

    http://www.synonym.com/synonyms/murder/
    But why does it not work the other way at Thesaurus.com?

    It is because murder is always killing while killing is not always murder... the two are not synonyms in the true sense that they are generally interchangable...
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    But why does it not work the other way at Thesaurus.com?

    It is because murder is always killing while killing is not always murder... the two are not synonyms in the true sense that they are generally interchangable...
    Take it up with them. I did not write it. Of course killing is not always murder. But murder is always killing.

    SO WHAT?

    How does any of that negate the reality that firearms are made as weapons for the purpose of firing a projectile which can kill - if one is using it properly as intended.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Take it up with them. I did not write it. Of course killing is not always murder. But murder is always killing.

    SO WHAT?

    How does any of that negate the reality that firearms are made as weapons for the purpose of firing a projectile which can kill - if one is using it properly as intended.
    If one is using it properly and as intended there would never be a murder committed with a firearm.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Take it up with them. I did not write it. Of course killing is not always murder. But murder is always killing.

    SO WHAT?

    How does any of that negate the reality that firearms are made as weapons for the purpose of firing a projectile which can kill - if one is using it properly as intended.
    The intent is with the person, not the inanimate object.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    If one is using it properly and as intended there would never be a murder committed with a firearm.
    That is pure fantasyland.
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