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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    'Cos they were the real victims of Sandy Hook, after all.
    that's really stupid



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Firearms were created to kill people and other living things.
    nope, firearms were designed to project a bullet.



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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother[W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I hope they take all of her estate to warn others of the dangers of unsecured guns. There needs to be consequences if there is to be responsibility. Anything less is a sham.




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    So they have to prove that the mother was the cause of their kids death. she wasn't. it was her son.
    the mother owe nothing to the members of the family as not only was she not the killer she was a victim herself.

    so please tell us what grounds they have to sue her estate over? the mom's estate doesn't owe anything to anyone it didn't commit a crime and neither did
    the kids mom.

    they are free to go after him, but she was a victim just as much as their kids.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That would depend on if the car was used for the purpose it was manufactured for.
    once someone buys a car the dealer is under no obligation to ensure that the owner of that car is behaving.
    it is called personal responsibility. you guys on the left need to understand what that is.

    it isn't the gun makers fault this kid went out and shot up a school. the fact he stole the gun is of no consequence.
    same as buying a car. chevy isn't responsible if you go and drive your suburban through a crowd.

    it doesn't matter the purpose. the car is made to drive on the road someone chose to drive it through people how is that chevy's fault?
    same with a gun. a gun is used to protect, hunt, or practice with. how is it the gun makers fault someone goes on a rampage with it?

    it isn't.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Judging from the response here, I would say yes. It really makes no difference that the mother died, that is not always the case and has nothing to do with punishment by society. You guys are scared $hitless that you might lose everything because of your guns but isn't that what happened to all those grieving parents?
    they are free to go after the person that did the crime for any damages.

    His mother didn't commit a crime and in fact was part of the crime. therefore suing her is a futile effort. hopefully a judge will inform them of the same thing.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother[W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    So they have to prove that the mother was the cause of their kids death. she wasn't. it was her son.
    the mother owe nothing to the members of the family as not only was she not the killer she was a victim herself.

    so please tell us what grounds they have to sue her estate over? the mom's estate doesn't owe anything to anyone it didn't commit a crime and neither did
    the kids mom.

    they are free to go after him, but she was a victim just as much as their kids.
    She was the shooters legal guardian, knew he was disturbed yet still kept a AR-15 where he could get it. I'm tired of gun owners shirking responsibility when their "hobby" goes terribly wrong. There needs to be some examples made. Honestly the kid did her a favor by killing her first so she did not know the horror she enabled.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother[W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    She was the shooters legal guardian, knew he was disturbed yet still kept a AR-15 where he could get it. I'm tired of gun owners shirking responsibility when their "hobby" goes terribly wrong. There needs to be some examples made. Honestly the kid did her a favor by killing her first so she did not know the horror she enabled.
    No she had the gun in a locked cabinet.
    so it wasn't where he could get it. please prove that the gun cabinet was not locked and unsecure?

    I do believe he broke into the cabinet. So that right there proves that he committed an illegal act.
    no responsibility was shirked at all. she kept the gun locked up in a cabinet. he broke into it and got the gun out.
    he searched and found the key.

    they can go after him, but there is little evidence to show neglect on her part.

    appeal to emotion do not make for good legal arguments.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nope, firearms were designed to project a bullet.
    Why did you stop there? Lets finish that thought for you..........Firearms were designed to project a bullet at people or other targets.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    once someone buys a car the dealer is under no obligation to ensure that the owner of that car is behaving.
    it is called personal responsibility. you guys on the left need to understand what that is.

    it isn't the gun makers fault this kid went out and shot up a school. the fact he stole the gun is of no consequence.
    same as buying a car. chevy isn't responsible if you go and drive your suburban through a crowd.

    it doesn't matter the purpose. the car is made to drive on the road someone chose to drive it through people how is that chevy's fault?
    same with a gun. a gun is used to protect, hunt, or practice with. how is it the gun makers fault someone goes on a rampage with it?

    it isn't.
    The difference is that one of the primary purposes of a firearm is to shoot other living things. To use it for that purpose is as it was designed. That is NOT the case with an automobile. That is a basic and fundamental difference.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why did you stop there? Lets finish that thought for you..........Firearms were designed to project a bullet at people or other targets.
    In my experience Stateside gun owners are so desperate to protect their guns after such events that they don't even refer to them as weapons but as 'tools' in some sort of weird effort to diminish or trivialise their inherent lethality

    Tools for what ? Moving small pieces of lead around at high velocity perhaps

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