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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    If there was a law requiring such you may have a point.

    Otherwise no.
    No such responsibility exists.


    A gun is a tool.
    Just as a pencil is.
    So if he had gotten a hold of her pencil and stabbed people in the neck and they died, should she be sued because she didn't better secure her pencil?
    A hammer? A screw driver?
    A butcher knife?

    The concept is abhorrent.
    More people are murdered with hammers than with rifles.

    As it happens, I own several hammers. None of them are stored in any more secure a manner than to be in my apartment, the door to which is kept locked when neither my wife or I are home, or when we are both in bed. Anyone who broke into my apartment, and searched for a hammer, would probably find one.

    If someone steals one of my hammers, and uses it to commit a murder, should I be held liable?
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Beats me how someone could lose a small child to an act of madness then turn around and take legal action. Maybe grief is surpassed by greed. How much MONEY does it take to ease the life long sorrow?
    No amount of money will bring back your child. But bereaved parents trying to make sense of the utterly incomprehensible want that child's death to have meaning, for something to good to come of it. And bottom feeders will exploit that grief.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    If someone steals one of my hammers, and uses it to commit a murder, should I be held liable?
    I am sure you know my answer.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother[W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I hope they take all of her estate to warn others of the dangers of unsecured guns. There needs to be consequences if there is to be responsibility. Anything less is a sham.




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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    You seem to have a reading comprehension problem.

    No strangers, ever, in my house.

    Anyone who believes that the two require different levels of care is a moron.

    Anyone who treats a gun, or any tool, without due respect is a moron.

    There is no issue with civil suits in this equation.

    I have no reading comprehension problem.

    It's a HYPOTHETICAL whose goal is to determine whether someone really treats guns with same level of care as they do a pencil. The point of this hypothetical is that if you treat guns with more respect and care than you do pencils the entire argument that a gun is a tool like a pencil goes out the window and with it the entire idea that you're as liable for misuse of a gun as you would be for misuse of a pencil.

    Does that clear it up for you?
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Please provide the law that says that.
    And I obviously knew what you were indicating as I provided you the "but for" argument.

    And no, her estate is being held responsible for his wrongful actions. It is wrong.

    There is no law. There is the well established concept of negligence in tort law that would apply here.


    Her estate is liable for her actions insofar as they were negligent and contributed to what happened. If she wasn't negligent her estate should not be liable for his actions.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    More people are murdered with hammers than with rifles.

    As it happens, I own several hammers. None of them are stored in any more secure a manner than to be in my apartment, the door to which is kept locked when neither my wife or I are home, or when we are both in bed. Anyone who broke into my apartment, and searched for a hammer, would probably find one.

    If someone steals one of my hammers, and uses it to commit a murder, should I be held liable?
    No but a reasonable person may well take more steps to secure a firearm and therein lies the difference.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    There is no law. There is the well established concept of negligence in tort law that would apply here.
    And that is the problem.
    There is no actual criminal law agaisnt such.
    Such allows others to be blamed for some one else's actions when they should not be.
    Again.
    [sarcasm]Hell her estate should be sued for bringing him into the world in the first place. But not for that, this would never had happened.[/sarcasm]


    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Her estate is liable for her actions insofar as they were negligent and contributed to what happened. If she wasn't negligent her estate should not be liable for his actions.
    Having guns in your house, whether out in the open or locked away is not negligence.
    Your opinion is part of the problem.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I can't understand in the least what these families have gone through.

    That being said, I also see no reasonable theory as to what suing Mrs. Lanza's estate will accomplish.

    Other than to make the lawyers richer.

    I don't understand this course of action at all.
    Money makes everything better.

    I guess. I can't think of anything else. It's not like she's going to learn a lesson here.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    No one said she's responsible for his actions. She is responsible for hers. She is responsible to exercise reasonable care with regard to the security of her firearms.

    If she knew her kid was violent or had mental problems there is a legitimate case to be made that she should've secured her firearms in a way that did not give him access, assuming she didn't. If she didn't then maybe she's liable for her actions, maybe she isn't. It is a reasonable question to ask.
    So he kills her, pries open her safe. And its all her fault.

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