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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So I take it that Connecticut is NOT one of those states where a Republican legislature has basically passed some laws providing special legal immunities and protections for gun companies and sellers so they cannot be sued as other companies may be sued?
    We have not. CT is one of the leading manufacturers of firearms. After Sandy Hook, new legislation banned some of the companies from selling the guns they manufacture in CT to CT.

    CT is an incredibly Blue_State.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother[W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I hope they take all of her estate to warn others of the dangers of unsecured guns. There needs to be consequences if there is to be responsibility. Anything less is a sham.




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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Beats me how someone could lose a small child to an act of madness then turn around and take legal action. Maybe grief is surpassed by greed. How much MONEY does it take to ease the life long sorrow?
    Maybe no small children actually died that day?

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Not at all.

    Yes, there are loaded guns laying around the house, as there are pencils.

    There is a loaded .357 right next to this laptop.

    No strangers are allowed in for any reason.
    The question again is if you were to allow strangers into your home would you leave loaded weapons laying about for an unknown quantity to potentially grab and use? Would you have the same of pencils?

    Simply put if you treat the loaded firearm different from a pencil in that situation you are implicitly agreeing that different standards of care apply to the two. And that different standard is a legitimate basis for a civil suit.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Maybe no small children actually died that day?
    Sandy Hoax? Could be.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No it isn't unreasonable.
    Trying to sue his mothers estate is unreasonable.
    She is not responsible for his actions. He is.
    It doesn't matter one bit if her guns were out. He took what wasn't his to take. He stole from her. That is on him, not her.


    To take this even further to it's absurd conclusion ...
    [sarcasm]Hell her estate should be sued for bringing him into the world in the first place. But not for that, this would never had happened.[/sarcasm]
    No one said she's responsible for his actions. She is responsible for hers. She is responsible to exercise reasonable care with regard to the security of her firearms.

    If she knew her kid was violent or had mental problems there is a legitimate case to be made that she should've secured her firearms in a way that did not give him access, assuming she didn't. If she didn't then maybe she's liable for her actions, maybe she isn't. It is a reasonable question to ask.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The question again is if you were to allow strangers into your home would you leave loaded weapons laying about for an unknown quantity to potentially grab and use? Would you have the same of pencils?

    Simply put if you treat the loaded firearm different from a pencil in that situation you are implicitly agreeing that different standards of care apply to the two. And that different standard is a legitimate basis for a civil suit.
    You seem to have a reading comprehension problem.

    No strangers, ever, in my house.

    Anyone who believes that the two require different levels of care is a moron.

    Anyone who treats a gun, or any tool, without due respect is a moron.

    There is no issue with civil suits in this equation.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    No one said she's responsible for his actions. She is responsible for hers. She is responsible to exercise reasonable care with regard to the security of her firearms.

    If she knew her kid was violent or had mental problems there is a legitimate case to be made that she should've secured her firearms in a way that did not give him access, assuming she didn't. If she didn't then maybe she's liable for her actions, maybe she isn't. It is a reasonable question to ask.
    Please provide the law that says that.
    And I obviously knew what you were indicating as I provided you the "but for" argument.

    And no, her estate is being held responsible for his wrongful actions. It is wrong.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother[W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Dying is a pretty big consequence. I'd say it's actually the biggest consequence of all.
    it's a bit more than "dying"... she was murdered.... she's no less of a victim than any of the kids at that school.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families sue estate of shooter's mother

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I can't understand in the least what these families have gone through.

    That being said, I also see no reasonable theory as to what suing Mrs. Lanza's estate will accomplish.

    Other than to make the lawyers richer.

    I don't understand this course of action at all.
    I guess those in the gun-owner-hater crowd think that this lawsuit will “send a message” to those who value the right to keep and bear arms. Pretty much the same way a certain other group in the past used to set crosses on fire in people's yards to “send a message.” I bet it's almost exactly the same mentality, even if the methods differ.
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