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Lawyers say Canadian-born Cruz eligible to run for president

Why should my father not be eligible to President simply because he was born in another country because my grandfather was stationed there? That is stupid. People are a natural born citizen of this country if their parents are citizens. The only paperwork required is a little extra to show that yes they are citizens despite their birth certificate being from another country.
No, that isn't all that is required.
 
How does this answer my question to Excon? Does Excon believe that John McCain, Barak Obama and Ted Cruz are eligible to be president of the United States, or not? Just say yes or no!
:doh You know what she said. You quoted it. I pointed out that she was wrong and that the actual language was changed.
If what she said is wrong, and it was pointed out why, what exactly do you think that means?

For further clarification if you still do not get it, read the answer I provided to her just prior to the one to you.
And then read the other posts I pointed out to you.
 
No, that isn't all that is required.

Yes it is. I had to get it for my security clearance background check. It was one extra document with a number on it that I had to provide the Navy.
 
Yes it is. I had to get it for my security clearance background check. It was one extra document with a number on it that I had to provide the Navy.
:doh
No. That does not make one a natural born citizen as required for the President.
If you do not understand the argument, don't engage.
Citizen vs natural born Citizen. The two are different
 
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Why was Obama given so much flack about this very thing? His mother was natural born as well. I'm not really understanding this. IMO, He wasn't born here naturally, he should not be allowed to run. Where his mom was born really shouldn't count. Where he was should.


The law:

"Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship."
(Source)

So, since Obama's mother was 18 at the time of his birth, if he was born abroad it would be impossible for her to meet the legal requirements to confer citizenship.
 
Best I can tell, Excon thinks Cruz and McCain aren't natural-born citizens, therefore are not eligible, while Pres. Obama is natural-born, so is.

He cares about what piece of dirt was under the hospital, not who their parents were.
Stop making absurd comments. You clearly do not fully understand what you have been told.

I care what the Constitution and the Law says, where as you obviously do not.


Thank you.
:doh She got that partial wrong as well.
 
:doh
No. That does not make one a natural born citizen as required for the President.
If you do not understand the argument, don't engage.
Citizen vs natural born Citizen. The two are different

Why should they be? If you were simply born "on the wrong soil" that is a stupid reason to deny a person the right to be President of the US, especially when you would still be considered a US citizen from the moment of your birth.
 
:doh You know what she said. You quoted it. I pointed out that she was wrong and that the actual language was changed.
If what she said is wrong, and it was pointed out why, what exactly do you think that means?

For further clarification if you still do not get it, read the answer I provided to her just prior to the one to you.
And then read the other posts I pointed out to you.

I think another poster clarified your position for me, and now I understand. Barak Obama is eligible, and Cruz and McCain are not.
 
And why is that? What is your information on it? Obama had about the same shot, and he even got reelected after proving that he was incompetent. At least Cruz has a brain.



Cruz also has a mouth, and that mouth will keep him out of the White House.




"Better days are coming."
~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
Why should my father not be eligible to President simply because he was born in another country because my grandfather was stationed there? That is stupid. People are a natural born citizen of this country if their parents are citizens. The only paperwork required is a little extra to show that yes they are citizens despite their birth certificate being from another country.

I'd agree. Excon doesn't. Guess it's up to the lawyers
 
Obama is as kenyan as black people per-se are african.

then what, do we call you an Irishman?

No, he isn't Kenyan. he might be Kansan - didn't his mom grow up in Kansas?
 
The law:

"Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship."
(Source)

So, since Obama's mother was 18 at the time of his birth, if he was born abroad it would be impossible for her to meet the legal requirements to confer citizenship.

He was born in Hawaii, a US State.
 
Cruz also has a mouth, and that mouth will keep him out of the White House.

"Better days are coming."
~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

Well, I think that has been the republican's problem, afraid to express their values and articulate their position. Oh, don't say anything bad about Obama's policies, they'll call you a racist.

Meanwhile. the democrats call them terrorists, bigots, racist, etc... and that's okay. I'm not saying to go down that road, just don't be afraid to express your values and positions.
 
then what, do we call you an Irishman?

No, he isn't Kenyan. he might be Kansan - didn't his mom grow up in Kansas?

No, he's Kenyan. Just ask his wife:



You would think that the person that was supposedly snorkeling his dork for over a decade would know where he was from.
 
I think another poster clarified your position for me, and now I understand. Barak Obama is eligible, and Cruz and McCain are not.
Are you really not reading this thread?
As already pointed out, she got it wrong.

Again, I told which posts to read to find my position. Avail yourself of the information.


Why should they be? If you were simply born "on the wrong soil" that is a stupid reason to deny a person the right to be President of the US, especially when you would still be considered a US citizen from the moment of your birth.
:doh
No it is not a stupid reason.
Why should it be? That is what the Constitution says.
If you do not like that, get it amended, until such time comes, it stands.
 
John McCain was allowed to run for POTUS.
Wrongly allowed to run. He wasn't a natural born Citizen. He wasn't even born a citizen.
His citizenship was later conferred upon him by a law.

As previously provided.
He was not born a Citizen let alone a natural born Citizen.
A law (8 U.S.C. § 1403) was later passed granting those born there Citizenship. You know why?
Because they weren't born Citizens.


The issue of a child of an American citizen being banned from running for POTUS was settled in 2008, if it was even a issue.
No, the issue was never settled.

A natural born Citizen is not the same as just a citizen. They are different. Our founders knew what the distinction was and incorporated it for a reason.
And the Courts are prohibited from considering natural born Citizen to be the same as just Citizen.
And no law created can change the meaning of the words in the Constitution. It takes an amendment for that.


Him being born in Canada still qualifies him as a natural born citizen.
No it doesn't.
He qualifies as a Citizen by statute. Not birth.


and he wasn't born in Canada the child of Canadian citizens.
Still born a Canadian owing allegiance to Canada.
Doesn't matter that he latter renounced it. He was born with it.
 
No doubt Donald Trump will be demanding the "Truth".
 
I'm not going to read through this entire thread.
It comes down to this. Was he born to two US citizen parents in a country that does not recognize birthright citizenship within their borders, OR that his parents were in that country performing a service in the name of the US government?
If any of these factors are missing then by the intent of the writers of the 14th Amendment, he wouldn't be considered a US citizen, much less a natural born one.
 
Well, I think that has been the republican's problem, afraid to express their values and articulate their position. Oh, don't say anything bad about Obama's policies, they'll call you a racist.

Meanwhile. the democrats call them terrorists, bigots, racist, etc... and that's okay. I'm not saying to go down that road, just don't be afraid to express your values and positions.



If you'll take a second look at my comment you'll see that I didn't call Cruz anything.

I just said that his mouth will keep him out of the White House because I believe that's what's going to happen.

Lets wait and see what happens in 2016.
 
Are you really not reading this thread?
As already pointed out, she got it wrong.

Again, I told which posts to read to find my position. Avail yourself of the information.

:doh
No it is not a stupid reason.
Why should it be? That is what the Constitution says.
If you do not like that, get it amended, until such time comes, it stands.

Natural born citizen was never clearly defined in the Constitution though. There is definite question on what that would be in this day and age, when there are no longer real social consequences for having a child out of wedlock nor is it at all rare for people to be stationed overseas for the military or just simply have their child overseas just due to an issue out of their control. Those things really weren't likely in the past, especially when it came to woman, who wasn't likely to be traveling between the countries often, if at all.
 
Since the left does not follow our constitution the right should so if Teddy was not born here he cannot run.
 
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