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    Re: Lawyers say Canadian-born Cruz eligible to run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No, he was not born in the area under our control.
    It was a military base, and definitely under the control of the government.


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    Re: Lawyers say Canadian-born Cruz eligible to run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I've heard his speak as well. THAT is what I base it on. He doesn't have a clue what the Constitution is about. If he did, he wouldn't take the wacko position he does on so many things. just because you may have argued a case before the Supreme Court does not make one a Constitutional scholar.
    Give some examples, because I can't imagine how you could reach such a conclusion with an objective mind.
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    Re: Lawyers say Canadian-born Cruz eligible to run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It was a military base, and definitely under the control of the government.
    Not the hospital.

    Not that any of that matters one bit.
    He was not born a Citizen let alone a natural born Citizen.
    A law (8 U.S.C. § 1403) was later passed granting those born there Citizenship. You know why?
    Because they weren't born Citizens.
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    Re: Lawyers say Canadian-born Cruz eligible to run for president

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    Lawyers say Canadian-born Cruz eligible to run for president | Fox News

    "While questions about Canadian-born Sen. Ted Cruz’s eligibility to be president haven’t drawn much attention, two former Justice Department lawyers have weighed in with a bipartisan verdict: Cruz, they say, is eligible to run for the White House. Neal Katyal, acting solicitor general in the Obama administration, and Paul Clemente, solicitor general in President George W. Bush’s administration, got out in front of the issue in a Harvard Law Review article. “There is no question that Senator Cruz has been a citizen from birth and is thus a ‘natural born Citizen’ within the meaning of the Constitution,” they wrote."

    "The law review article, “On the Meaning of ‘Natural Born Citizen”, asserts that the interpretation of the term was settled in Cruz’s favor as early as the 1700’s. The lawyers wrote that the Supreme Court has long used British common law and enactments of the First Congress for guidance on defining a “natural born citizen.” “Both confirm that the original meaning of the phrase ‘natural born Citizen’ includes persons born abroad who are citizens from birth based on the citizenship of a parent,” they wrote. They concluded someone like Cruz had “no need to go through naturalization proceedings,” making him eligible. Cruz is still weighing a presidential run.

    "Last month, Cruz addressed the citizenship issue during a question-and-answer session with moderator Sean Hannity, of Fox News, at the Conservative Political Action Conference. “I was born in Calgary. My mother was an American citizen by birth,” Cruz said. “Under federal law, that made me an American citizen by birth. The Constitution requires that you be a natural-born citizen.”


    Why was Obama given so much flack about this very thing? His mother was natural born as well. I'm not really understanding this. IMO, He wasn't born here naturally, he should not be allowed to run. Where his mom was born really shouldn't count. Where he was should.
    This is going to be interesting indeed considering all the "natural-born citizen" flack President Obama received from the Right. I can see a rehash of all those Obama/natural-born citizen debate threads being quoted now!

    To the OP, I find it interesting that the two attorney's glossed over one very crucial component of the Naturalization Act of 1790, which I have to assume is the 1700 law they're referring to since it remains the only federal Act dealing with U.S. citizenship that uses and, thus, defines the term "natural-born", towit: "...the right of citizenship did 'not descend to persons whose fathers have never been a resident in the United States'".

    Of course, this little tidbit hardly matters today since our INA laws have changed over the centuries ultimately to cover both children born to the soil and those born abroad to at least one U.S. citizen parent be it the mother or the father. However, since Ted Cruz was born in Canada, the issue of his dual-citizenship likely would have remained an issue...that is until he renounced his Canadian citizenship sometime last year (I believe). Nonetheless, it's going to be interesting to see how those Republicans who beat liberals/defenders of Pres. Obama's natural-born status explain Ted Cruz' natural-born status when it's very clear that he was born abroad (albeit to a U.S. citizen mother). I guarantee you that any defense they use will likely be the same defense used to prove Pres. Obama's natural-born citizenship status and IMO his was much more definitive than Ted Cruz'.
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    Re: Lawyers say Canadian-born Cruz eligible to run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    Racist much?

    It may come as a surprise to you, but obama isn't black.
    Of course--he's hAlfrican American--as the Godfather of the GOP Limpballs has told America many times .
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    Re: Lawyers say Canadian-born Cruz eligible to run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Good...I would vote for him
    Yup, so would I.

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    Re: Lawyers say Canadian-born Cruz eligible to run for president

    With a caucus full of POTUS candidates as McConnell admitted, Mitch is also headed to the far-right with these Senators, ensuring two more years of gridlock--as these Senators and Governors angle for the primary vote.

    Cruz isn't even in the discussion, with Rubio gaining steam being pushed by FOX, the same FOX ignoring Paul. These two Senators are still running well behind Walker and Bush though, IMHO.

    Fun to watch is Candidate roulette on Bret Baier's Friday Special Report, the one political hour I try to never miss .

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    This is going to be interesting indeed considering all the "natural-born citizen" flack President Obama received from the Right. I can see a rehash of all those Obama/natural-born citizen debate threads being quoted now!

    To the OP, I find it interesting that the two attorney's glossed over one very crucial component of the 1790 Naturalization Act, which I have to assume is the 1700 law they're referring to since it remains the only federal Act dealing with U.S. citizenship that uses and, thus, defines the term "natural-born", towit: "...the right of citizenship did 'not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States'".

    Of course, this little tidbit hardly matters today since our INA laws have changed over the centuries ultimately to cover both children born to the soil and those born abroad to at least one U.S. citizen parent be it the mother or the father. However, since Ted Cruz was born in Canada, the issue of his dual-citizenship likely would have remained an issue...that is until he renounced his Canadian citizenship sometime last year (I believe). Nonetheless, it's going to be interesting to see how those Republicans who beat liberals/defenders of Pres. Obama's natural-born status explain Ted Cruz' natural-born status when it's very clear that he was born abroad (albeit to a U.S. citizen mother). I guarantee you that any defense they use will likely be the same defense used to prove Pres. Obama's natural-born citizenship status and IMO his was much more definitive than Ted Cruz'.
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    Re: Lawyers say Canadian-born Cruz eligible to run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Not quite the same; both McCain's parents were U.S. citizens. Only one of Cruz' - his mother - is/was (not sure if she's still alive). Of course, as I've said before, current INA law takes into account at least one parent born on U.S. soil to confer U.S. citizenship unto the child.
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    Re: Lawyers say Canadian-born Cruz eligible to run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Not quite the same; both McCain's parents were U.S. citizens. Only one of Cruz' - his mother - is/was (not sure if she's still alive). Of course, as I've said before, current INA law takes into account at least one parent born on U.S. soil to confer U.S. citizenship unto the child.
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    Re: Lawyers say Canadian-born Cruz eligible to run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And where was he born again?
    If you're referring to Ted Cruz, Canada.

    If you're referring to Sen. McCain, Panama (Canal Zone which was not a U.S. territory despite the fact that McCain was born on a U.S. military installation).

    I forget exactly how McCain's "natural-born" citizenship dilemma was ultimately resolved, but Cruz' may have been resolved by the fact that he:

    1) renounced his Canadian citizenship; and,

    2) his mother was a U.S. citizen at birth (which is permissible under current INA law).

    The verdict may still be out. In any case, I go back to a few old questions I once asked when this natural-born -vs- citizen issue first came up w/Pres. Obama:

    If there is a difference between a U.S. citizen and a natural-born U.S. citizen, what benefits are conferred one over the other?

    Is the only difference that being a natural-born citizen can hold the office of PUTUS and a citizen cannot?

    And seeing that the term "natural-born" was only once a settled matter in a 1790 law that has long been repealed and replaced by other versions of U.S. Immigration and Naturalization law, does "natural-born" even still apply today?

    And if not, should Art. 2 of the U.S. Constitution be amended?
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