• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Lawyers say Canadian-born Cruz eligible to run for president

Totally true. Wasn't John McCain born in panama, or there a bouts?

John McCain’s Presidential Eligibility

But McCain is a natural-born citizen, even though he was not born within this country’s borders, since his parents were citizens at the time of his birth. As a congressional act stated in 1790:
Congress: “And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.”

Applies to Cruz too.
 
Because Obama is black. That is the irony of this whole thing....the tea baggers have no problem with Cruz because he is a white guy. What complete hypocrites they are.

Racist much?

It may come as a surprise to you, but obama isn't black.
 
If Rafael Cruz runs what should even be more fun is his father was a revolutionary who fought along side Fidel Castro during the Cuban revolution. Watching the TP people spin that will be comedy gold.
 
Good example of my point. Obama, an unqualified rank amateur wins. But Ted Cruz, a brilliant lawyer who is a magnitude of intelligence above Obama, you consider to have no chance. Cruz supports the Constitution, Obama does not. And that's the problem, we elected the idiot.

LOL....Seriously? Cruz doesn't have a clue what the Constitution is about. Neither do most of the people who claim to support it.
 
He'll never be president, so it doesn't matter.

Yeah, thank god. My point was to be that he did run once upon a time, and I don't remember a big stink about it, though there may have been in some circles.
 
Racist much?

It may come as a surprise to you, but obama isn't black.


While Pres. Obama is half-black, half-white (approx), he self-identifies as black, and he is treated as black, particularly by the racists who hate his presidency.

Sadly, the country is not as color-blind as you are.
 
Hawaii is not a foreign government which is where Barack Obama was born. Neither is Kansas, which is where Obama's mother is from.
:lamo:lamo:lamo

:doh
You are not paying attention.
I never once said he wasn't.

I clearly stated he was born of one parent and owing allegiance to another country.
That is not a natural born citizen.





John McCain’s Presidential Eligibility

But McCain is a natural-born citizen, even though he was not born within this country’s borders, since his parents were citizens at the time of his birth. As a congressional act stated in 1790:
Congress: “And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.”

Applies to Cruz too.
:doh
No Patty it didn't apply to McCain and it does not apply to Cruz.
That was changed when Congress discovered their error a short 5 years later in 1795 to just "citizen".
Please note the year, 1795.

But that is what you get for using a liberal source, they don't make it clear, directly lie and point you to something totally irrelevant to their dishonest claim.

Had anything you said been true no one would have thought it was needed to pass a non-binding resolution to declare McCain eligible.
He clearly wasn't, still isn't, and neither is Cruz.
 
Then there you have it. Cruz will have to be stopped by other means. Say, in your quote, it says "citizens" plural?????
No Montecresto, there you don't have it.
She provided you faulty information.
Congress realized their error and corrected the mistake and the language was changed a short five years later in 1795 to just "citizen".
 
LOL....Seriously? Cruz doesn't have a clue what the Constitution is about. Neither do most of the people who claim to support it.

What do you base that on? I've heard him speak on the subject, he is, without a doubt, very knowledgeable. I believe he's argued cases in front of the Supreme Court.
 
:lamo:lamo:lamo

:doh
You are not paying attention.
I never once said he wasn't.

I clearly stated he was born of one parent and owing allegiance to another country.
That is not a natural born citizen.

We know what you said. You're just wrong.
 
:lamo:lamo:lamo

:doh
You are not paying attention.
I never once said he wasn't.

I clearly stated he was born of one parent and owing allegiance to another country.
That is not a natural born citizen.





:doh
No Patty it didn't apply to McCain and it does not apply to Cruz.
That was changed when Congress discovered their error a short 5 years later in 1795 to just "citizen".
Please note the year, 1795.

But that is what you get for using a liberal source, they don't make it clear, directly lie and point you to something totally irrelevant to their dishonest claim.

Had anything you said been true no one would have thought it was needed to pass a non-binding resolution to declare McCain eligible.
He clearly wasn't, still isn't, and neither is Cruz.

The resolution wasn't required. He and Cruz both had a parent who was an American citizen; therefore they are American citizens.

but here you go - here's a "liberal" site that says it's ambiguous, if you prefer
snopes.com: Is John McCain a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?

I think word-sniping over what "natural-born" is is pretty stupid, but that's just me.

And by the way, the original link did go on to say
Another congressional act in 1795 issued a similar assurance, though it changed the language from “natural born citizen” to “citizen.”

But the State Department clarifies the issue, saying that the 1790 language is honored under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

I just assumed people would read the full thing, not look solely at what I quoted.
 
No Montecresto, there you don't have it.
She provided you faulty information.
Congress realized their error and corrected the mistake and the language was changed a short five years later in 1795 to just "citizen".

Ok, so you're saying that regardless where a president is born, as long as one parent is a US citizen, then the child can be a president.
 
Ok, so you're saying that regardless where a president is born, as long as one parent is a US citizen, then the child can be a president.

Of course not, what matters is whether that President is a Republican.
 
Yeah, I think Excon already cleared that up.

I do think that McCain was eligible. I think Cruz is too. So am I.


Cruz should make it his campaign slogan. "Ted Cruz - Legally eligible for the Presidency."
 
The resolution wasn't required. He and Cruz both had a parent who was an American citizen; therefore they are American citizens.
:doh
No one said they are not citizens.
Are you really not paying attention?
They are not natural born Citizens. There is a difference.


I think word-sniping over what "natural-born" is is pretty stupid, but that's just me.
As a liberal, of course you would. Anything to ignore the Constitution.
The Constitution clearly distinguishes between a Citizen and a natural born Citizen. You can be a Citizen for the lower offices, but not for the office of the President of which you must be a natural born Citizen.


And by the way, the original link did go on to say

I just assumed people would read the full thing, not look solely at what I quoted.
:doh
They did not make it clear that the first was superseded, as in no longer in effect.
And as already said, they "directly lie and point you to something totally irrelevant to their dishonest claim."


but here you go - here's a "liberal" site that says it's ambiguous, if you prefer
:doh
iLOL
I do not need a site, liberal or otherwise, to tell me what I already know.
As I previously pointed out, this issue has never been determined by the Supreme court.


A Citizen is not the same as a natural born Citizen.
The founders knew there was a difference and it is why they made the distinction.
 
Last edited:
Racist much?

It may come as a surprise to you, but obama isn't black.

no_country_for_old_men_tommy_lee_jones.jpg


Go on... I'm listening.
 
Back
Top Bottom