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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Hezbollah, which is an arm of the Iranian regime, started the trend of Islamist suicide bombings in service of terror groups back in the 80s. You may recall they killed a few Marines with the tactic, and by "a few", I of course mean 220. Not only did Iran heavily use suicide bombers in the Iraq Iran war, it used waves of children for that purpose. They had them charge minefields to clear them or wear bombs and bury themselves in shallow holes in roads before the tanks rolled over them in order to achieve more damaging kills. If you can't find any history of Iranian suicide bombing, you must not have looked at all.

    "[m]artyrdom-seeking operations mark the highest point of the greatness of a nation and the peak of [its] epic." - Supreme Leader Ali Khamene'i.
    Hezbollah are Lebanese and were created after Isreal invaded Lebanon in 1982. Claiming that Hezbollah are Iranian is like saying Osama Bin Laden was an American because he was helped by the CIA during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. And it was a group called Islamic Jihad who carried out the barracks bombings.

    And show me the link where Iran used child suicide bombers in the Iran-Iraq war, please.

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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    That's a good analysis.

    But after the US senators sent letter to Iran warning them not to trust their own president and how the Iran minister responded....one has to wonder who the real irrational extremists are.
    Mornin Moot. They put the Letter out in the public first. It does give Cotton a boost as one of the future leaders. Naturally the left has played on it to do anything they can to get the coverage off of Hillary.



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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

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    Hezbollah are Lebanese and were created after Isreal invaded Lebanon in 1982. Claiming that Hezbollah are Iranian is like saying Osama Bin Laden was an American because he was helped by the CIA during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.
    No, it's like saying that USAID is American despite the fact that it works in other nations. Hezbollah was stood up by Iran, funded by Iran, receives direction from Iran, and acts on Iran's behalf. They utilized former scattered groups called Amalists for foot soldiers and Qods Force as enablers. It is an arm of the government in Tehran.

    And it was a group called Islamic Jihad who carried out the barracks bombings.
    1983 Beirut Barracks Bombing

    ...In 1982, the Islamic Republic of Iran established a base in the Syrian-controlled Bekaa Valley in Lebanon. That base is still operational today. From that base, Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) "founded, financed, trained and equipped Hezbollah to operate as a proxy army" for Iran.[48] Some analysts believe the newly formed Islamic Republic of Iran was heavily involved in the bomb attacks and that a major factor leading it to orchestrate the attacks on the barracks was America's support for Iraq in the Iran–Iraq War and its extending of $2.5 billion in trade credit to Iraq while halting the shipments of arms to Iran.[49] A few weeks before the bombing, Iran warned that providing armaments to Iran's enemies would provoke retaliatory punishment.[Notes 1] On September 26, 1983, "the National Security Agency (NSA) intercepted an Iranian diplomatic communications message from the Iranian intelligence agency, the Ministry of Information and Security (MOIS)," to its ambassador, Ali Akbar Mohtashemi, in Damascus. The message directed the ambassador to "take spectacular action against the American Marines."[50] The intercepted message, dated September 26, would not be passed to the Marines until October 26: three days after the bombing.[51]

    Much of what is now public knowledge of Iranian involvement, e.g., PETN purportedly supplied by Iran, the suicide bomber's name and nationality, etc., in the bombings was not revealed to the public until the 2003 trial, Peterson, et al v. Islamic Republic, et al.[10] Testimony by Admiral James "Ace" Lyon's, U.S.N. (Ret), and FBI forensic explosive investigator Danny A. Defenbaugh, plus a deposition by a Hezbollah operative named Mahmoud (a pseudonym) were particularly revealing.[52]...
    Iran likes to use cut-outs for cut-outs. Islamic Jihad, was such an organization:

    ...Initially the group was described as "a mysterious group about which virtually nothing was known,"[2] one whose "only members" seemed to be the "anonymous callers" taking credit for the bombings, or one that simply didn't exist. After the MNF bombing, the New York Times reported that "Lebanese police sources, Western intelligence sources, Israeli Government sources and leading Shi'ite Moslem religious leaders in Beirut are all convinced that there is no such thing as Islamic Jihad," as an organization, no membership, no writings, etc.[3] ....

    Wright has compared Islamic Jihad to the Black September wing of the Palestinian Fatah,[6] serving the function of providing its controlling organization, in this case Hezbollah, with some distance and plausible deniability from acts that might provoke retaliation or other problems.
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    Adam Shatz of The Nation magazine has described Islamic Jihad as "a precursor to Hezbollah, which did not yet officially exist" at the time of the bombings Islamic Jihad took credit for.[8] Jeffrey Goldberg says

    Using various names, including the Islamic Jihad Organization and the Organization of the Oppressed on Earth, Hezbollah remained underground until 1985, when it published a manifesto condemning the West, and proclaiming, “.... Allah is behind us supporting and protecting us while instilling fear in the hearts of our enemies.”[9]

    A 2003 decision by an American court named Islamic Jihad as the name used by Hezbollah for its attacks in Lebanon, and parts of the Middle East, and Europe.[10] Just as Hezbollah used another name Islamic Resistance, or al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya, for its attacks against Israel.

    By the mid-1980s Hizbollah leaders are reported to have admitted their involvement in the attacks and the nominal nature of "Islamic Jihad" - that it was merely a "telephone organisation,"[12][13] and[14] whose name was "used by those involved to disguise their true identity."...

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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by POS
    And show me the link where Iran used child suicide bombers in the Iran-Iraq war, please.
    The Basij (pronounced Baseej), is an Islamic paramilitary force that was founded in 1979 by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini to provide volunteers for "human wave" attacks in the Iran-Iraq War.

    During this war, Iran severely lacked material resources to fight against the much better trained and equipped Iraqi army. Iraq had mined much of the areas that Iran needed to take. Iran had precious few armed vehicles and tanks to utilize and deploy. Rather than endanger their meager weapons and armor to destruction in face of Iraq counter attack, a new concept was created, the Basij, a special group of martyrs to be that would sacrifice their bodies by walking through the mine field, sparing the army from damage.

    Tens of thousands of children were recruited for this special Basij project. Teenage boys as young as 12 were conscripted to serve as martyrs. They were trained to march straight into the enemy fire or through the enemy mine fields which they did wave after wave....
    Iran is absolutely willing to engage in suicide-operations, to include with children.

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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    World powers have been in talks to begin lifting UN sanctions against Iran if a deal is reached in upcoming nuclear discussions, media sources said. A UN resolution would make the deal binding, bypassing recently voiced objections in the US Senate.

    http://rt.com/news/240277-iran-sanctions-lift-talks-us/
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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    World powers have been in talks to begin lifting UN sanctions against Iran if a deal is reached in upcoming nuclear discussions, media sources said. A UN resolution would make the deal binding, bypassing recently voiced objections in the US Senate.P5+1 in ?secret talks? to lift Iran sanctions if nuclear deal reached ? report ? RT News
    Okay we have one believer...oh, there's another one. Two believers. Do i see a third? Anyone? A third believer?

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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Okay we have one believer...oh, there's another one. Two believers. Do i see a third? Anyone? A third believer?
    In what. Stop crying for gawds sake, nobodies worried about CR.
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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, it's like saying that USAID is American despite the fact that it works in other nations. Hezbollah was stood up by Iran, funded by Iran, receives direction from Iran, and acts on Iran's behalf. They utilized former scattered groups called Amalists for foot soldiers and Qods Force as enablers. It is an arm of the government in Tehran.



    1983 Beirut Barracks Bombing



    Iran likes to use cut-outs for cut-outs. Islamic Jihad, was such an organization:
    Calling these groups part of Iran is pretty much calling a country like Isreal part of the US since they are funded by American taxpayers. Its a fallacious argument you are making. Hezbollah has an independent leadership and the origins of Islamic Jihad were never proven to be with Iran.

    And Isreal funds terror groups in Iran and Syria as well and we initially started ISIS and helped out Osama Bin Laden. So its hypocrisy of the highest order.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Iran is absolutely willing to engage in suicide-operations, to include with children.
    A Jewish magazine? Come on, thats a very biased source, it isnt MSM. No documented evidence but instead just pure hearsay.

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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Calling these groups part of Iran is pretty much calling a country like Isreal part of the US since they are funded by American taxpayers. Its a fallacious argument you are making. Hezbollah has an independent leadership and the origins of Islamic Jihad were never proven to be with Iran.
    did you cut out everything merely so you could respond with this? I demonstrated to you that Islamic Jihad was simply a name used by Hezbollah prior to it's public announcement, and that Hezbollah was not only founded and funded by Iran, but served as part of Iranian foreign policy. Hezbollah is an arm of the Iranian regime No, it's not like calling "Israel" part of US foreign policy. It's like calling "USAID" part of US Foreign Policy.

    And Isreal funds terror groups in Iran and Syria as well and we initially started ISIS and helped out Osama Bin Laden. So its hypocrisy of the highest order.
    Ah never mind, my apologies. I assumed I was talking to someone of rationality. It's never worth wasting your time with the Truther types. But that explains the inability to assimilate new information. Have a good day.

    A Jewish magazine? Come on, thats a very biased source,
    Naturally. After all, they run all of the worlds' banks, and are just in it to get the US to invade Iran before the leadership there cunningly discovers irrefutable proof of the Great Holocaust Fraud. You can't trust 'em.
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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    did you cut out everything merely so you could respond with this? I demonstrated to you that Islamic Jihad was simply a name used by Hezbollah prior to it's public announcement, and that Hezbollah was not only founded and funded by Iran, but served as part of Iranian foreign policy.
    Um, no you didnt prove that. In fact your own wikipedia article doesnt support what youre saying. A US grand jury indicted a Lebanese Shia as the one responsible and no other proof has been found conclusive. Youre grasping at straws.

    Hezbollah is an arm of the Iranian regime No, it's not like calling "Israel" part of US foreign policy. It's like calling "USAID" part of US Foreign Policy.
    Hezbollah is independent and it is composed of Lebanese Shias, not Iranians. Yes, they are supplied by Iran but they have their own leadership. USAID is directly under US leadership and is composed of Americans so your comparisons are dubious.

    Ah never mind, my apologies. I assumed I was talking to someone of rationality. It's never worth wasting your time with the Truther types. But that explains the inability to assimilate new information. Have a good day.
    I can say the same thing about you and your hatred for anything Muslim and naivety of US foreign policy. Have a good day as well.

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